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Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by chongli »

Anthony-G wrote: post #324
dragonwriter wrote: post #283

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> The flip-side of this truism is that this point of view is probably healthier for the individual than seeing themselves as helpless victims. That's not the flip side of that view, because the socialist view of an exploited proletariat in an advanced industrial democracy is not one of “helpless victims”, but of a powerful force that has the power to reverse the power structure once they realize it exists and act in…

I don’t understand why this post is being down-voted as it clearly states one of the foundations of socialism. A quick (and very) simplified summary of the traditional socialist perspective is that in capitalism, the vast majority of the population must work as wage-earners (proletariat) to provide the means to sustain their life. A much smaller group of people (capitalists or bourgeoisie) own the means of production…

I understand why socialism appeals to people when they see so much suffering and inequality in the world. What I do not understand is why any scholars would cling to the labour theory of value in light of such things as multi-billionaire startup founders.

It should be pretty clear to anyone at this point that all you need is a laptop, programming skills, a good idea, and a lot of luck to become a billionaire. You don’t need thousands, let alone millions, of employees labouring for you.

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by cwhiz »

mav3rick wrote: post #244
cwhiz wrote: post #70

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It’s a courtesy that is absolutely being afforded to people in California, where this is taking place. Some people just want to see racism everywhere they look.

Acknowledge your privilege.

Your trolling is too obvious.

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by FrozenSynapse »

jackric wrote: post #306
timavr wrote: post #297

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For any non-violent crimes we should not send people to prison. I don't even know why it became a criminal matter. Civil courts can do that job really well. If we prosecute everyone who took information from the previous job, then there will no sales people left. I don't know any SaaS sales person who doesn't take their sales funnel with them.

What's your definition of non-violent? I think the following bad behavior deserves jail time: Signal man distracted on TikTok causes train crash Fraudster electronically steals retirement savings Pedophile gets child to do stuff over the internet Driver repeatedly drives drunk, though never hits anyone

Corrupt politicians should work without pay for 5-10 years and all wealth confiscated.

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by CPLX »

chongli wrote: post #331
Anthony-G wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand why this post is being down-voted as it clearly states one of the foundations of socialism. A quick (and very) simplified summary of the traditional socialist perspective is that in capitalism, the vast majority of the population must work as wage-earners (proletariat) to provide the means to sustain their life. A much smaller group of people (capitalists or bourgeoisie) own the means of production…

I understand why socialism appeals to people when they see so much suffering and inequality in the world. What I do not understand is why any scholars would cling to the labour theory of value in light of such things as multi-billionaire startup founders. It should be pretty clear to anyone at this point that all you need is a laptop, programming skills, a good idea, and a lot of luck to become a billionaire. You don…

> You don’t need thousands, let alone millions, of employees labouring for you.

Name a company with a billion dollars in revenue that is, or could be, operated solely by someone with a laptop and programming skills.

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by onetimemanytime »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #335

His professional reputation is in tatters ... probably best he goes to China after his release as they will probably be the only ones that would not care and have the cash that would hire him.

Maybe he has some hidden, but then we'd be talking about bank and bankruptcy fraud and people are probably keeping an eye on him. Any new job after all is settled and done, will be without much responsibility or upshots

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by JohnBooty »

alexbanks wrote: post #243
ponker wrote: post #153

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No, you cannot compare becoming the world's best self-driving engineer to winning the lottery. This is like becoming Lebron James, it's tremendous talent combined with tremendous commitment.

Lebron James was the exact definition of right place, right skills, right time. Lots of players have "tremendous talent" and "tremendous commitment." Lebron wouldn't be what he is today without a tremendous amount of luck. Would his career have worked out if Carmelo was drafted to Cleveland and Lebron went to the Nuggets? What about if Lebron needed to do a year in college now? How would that have impacted his trajec…

Having followed sports my entire life, and played a bit... Lebron is not a good example. He is a freakishly transcendent talent, the exception to the rule.

There is no "right time, right place" factor for Lebron, unless we're simply considering the fact that he lucky enough to be born at a time on Earth when professional basketball is a thing that exists.

    Would his career have worked out if Carmelo was drafted 
    to Cleveland and Lebron went to the Nuggets? What about 
    if Lebron needed to do a year in college now? How would 
    that have impacted his trajectory?
Assuming his work ethic and will to succeed aren't somehow impacted there is literally no permutation of events, no alternate universe, in which Lebron James does not become the NBA's greatest talent for roughly a decade. He is/was that good.

Generally though, I do agree with you.

Lebron's championships, as opposed to his individual performance, are definitely somewhat the products of circumstance. He heroically dragged some mediocre supporting casts to the Finals and fell short a few times, which simultaneously proved both his own brilliance and the inability of even the arguably-greatest player of all time to do it all on his own.

A lot of supremely talented athletes have failed to find success in professional sports due to simply never finding a good fit for themselves where they were able to shine.

Similarly, there have been some oddballs who have found great success thanks to being in circumstances in which they were able niche for themselves. James Harden is a modern NBA player who comes to mind. The Rockets play a somewhat bizzarro style that caters to Harden's bizzarro skirting-the-rules game.

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by JohnBooty »

user5994461 wrote: post #312
pcwalton wrote: post #188

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At this point the right sports comparison isn't LeBron James; it's Lance Armstrong.

Sounds about right. Lance could basically sit down in the rocket and take the fame, while thousands of other people did the work to make the rocket and have it go to the moon and back.

Are we confusing Lance Armstrong and Neil Armstrong?

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Post by bonoboTP »

thewhitetulip wrote: post #316
lostcolony wrote: post #231

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Taking best practices is not the same as taking trade secrets. It's ambiguous and murky, yes, but realistically, if it is ambiguous and murky, the case is likely to fall apart. It's when it's clear that you took some secret sauce with you, and replicated it wholesale, that a case is likely to be brought, and likely to be won.

nobody can actually point out 'best practices' even if you implement them in new company. in this case, they literally copied code and that's why there was a case after the email gaffe.

How about stuff like how you set up your automated tests, or the Python project folder structure, or that you always first test the road sign recognition on self driving cars before testing something else. Or you first pretrain your neural nets of lane detection before jointly training for road signs and lanes.

I mean you remember the code you wrote and when faced with a similar case you will solve it in a similar way. The above are just really silly simplified examples for it.

Re: Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

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Post by bonoboTP »

xoxoy wrote: post #150
bonoboTP wrote: post #145

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I'm asking in general, beyond this case.

if you haven’t stolen actual files or documents with you, then it’d be a very tough case

What if you just remember it and write similar procedure checklists that you remember from the old place.
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