China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

Just follow the works of "leading Xinjiang expert" Adrian Zenz, who is repeatedly mentioned in this BBC article and given huge amounts of airtime by news orgs around the world. By his own account he can't speak any dialect or read Chinese but he is the goto expert on the matter.

The main paper of his routinely quoted on by the media is published in the Journal of Political Risk. It mainly draws on Google translations of open source government data, there's strangely mentions of Bible verses in it.

You might also be interested in his main job as an evangelic missionary teaching theological students, his position at an anti-communism foundation with dubious funding sources, an online phd from a university with a very similar name as Cambridge (his wiki page even looks to the actual Cambridge), his homophobic statements, other statements on how he is on a mission from God to "save" China and his published book: "Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation"*

I'm not sure if it's worth debating this topic here on HN anymore because it's really becoming pointless and pure ideological propaganda where no one wants to debate in good faith (much like this article with basically nothing of substance, a guy got caught with weed and now has a call phone inside jail? Throw in some Adrian Zenz quotes and call it a day)

Previous threads have people boldly proclaiming with no evidence whatsoever that "_millions_ of Uyghurs have been sterilised in the last year, what has any other country done even close to that?", leaving the absurdity of that behind, the responses with numerous sources and good faith debate are CSS censored into oblivion.

This BBC article is propaganda, there's literally no any evidence whatsoever it's true, by their own words deep into the text. The public is being buttered up for yet another two decades of war, with Iraq WMD levels of proof of why it should happen and the populace lap it up again.

The UN Human Rights Commissioner was invited over a year ago[1] to Xinjiang, she still hasn't gone, China is still asking her to come and hopefully she'll make it by the end of 2020 [2]

Dozens of countries, many not even aligned with China have sent a joint letter to the UN [3] saying their investigations showed nothing like what is claimed in the Western media.

Muslim countries are praising their efforts to control terrorism in the region.[3]

Given your question, I'd ask a counter-question: Is it worth trying to convince people that's there's a lot more here than the headlines and it's far more about the challenge to US hegemony more than anything else? Why is everything presented always with some terrifyingly evil implication that's ends up generally quite mundane when you actually read into it.

There's more satellites than ever before (you can academically launch a 0.5U cubesat over China for $12,000) and yet no one seems to have any satellite evidence of these 1.5 million people supposedly detained. I'm guessing they're in caves or something? Everything presented is flimsy and speaks to a much larger game, a game many tacitly acknowledge deep down and think the ends justify the means, lies or not. WMD's or not, many somehow justify that travesty to themselves in a strange post-purchase rationalisation.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-un-idUSKCN1T...

[2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-rights-idU...

[3] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-rights-idU...

*Available on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Worthy-Escape-Believers-Raptured-Trib...

I don't know where you got “harmless nudging” from that description of it as part of a system of violent coercion of the immediate subjects that is long-game brainwashing directed beyond them, but, no.

> Change will have to come from within the CCP

And I'm guessing if the West and Russia had waited, the Nazis would have stopped putting people in concentration camps too? The CCP is exactly the same party that still covers up the 1989 Tienanmen Square Massacre - they can't even admit their previous failings.

> it always amused me that those HK protesters were talking

> more to the foreign press than trying to infiltrate the

> mainland bureaucracy.

It's hard to find any amusement in the HK situation at all.

I am not aware of any scenario where the Communist dictatorship has listened to reason or has allowed the infiltration of it's mainland media. Their entire dictatorship is based on narrative - whilst it's positive, they stay in power over the people and army. Any deviation throws their rule into question, which is why they crush it at any cost.

Edit: Grammar

Already happened many times. A recent example is the BLM protests that took place all over the world. There has also been a lot of protests against Trump, including the famous baby balloon that was seen during his UK visit.

> ...the Nazis would have stopped putting people in concentration camps too?

It’s possible.

After the Trail of Tears, I don’t think anyone would have believed the US would fight a Civil War and change so much.

Give China a hundred years and who knows what will happen.

Taiwan was a dictatorship until the late 90s. All China needs is that one leader to put things in motion.