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We quit our jobs to build a cabin

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Re: We quit our jobs to build a cabin

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It’s funny how when you’re young you it’s hard to learn about these types of things. My wife went to school with a guy who didn’t like college. He took a summer job on a road crew, learned how to use an excavator and got hooked. Dropped out, saved up, and bought a used dump truck, which basically made him. Started out hauling stuff and then got into water/sewer work and excavation. He’s up to about 20 trucks a decade…

Have a buddy who got a Finance Degree. Was hired into a large financial/invest firm in a great position and salary. 1 -2 years and couldn't take it, quit to go drywall with his two older brothers. When he quit his job the parents wept. He was the first kid to go/finish University in the family. It went from 3 guys hanging board to a 40-50 million construction company in 2 decades.

What's the company?

Re: We quit our jobs to build a cabin

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> It was a junk show and I quickly learned that the best approach was to continue writing software and pay pros to do the job. I feel personally attacked. Really though, I wonder how many things are on my 'Someday Maybe' list, that really I should just make more money to accomplish and/or find a youtube subscription that satisfies the urge to tinker on a particular topic.

Do people really watch YouTube or something and feel like the accomplished whatever is shown in the video? I am asking with full earnestness as I've always viewed such r/ArtisanVideos type videos as pure entertainment.

I think it might be more accurate to say that some people have more trouble distinguishing mild curiosity from "I should do that thing."

And I don't mean that in a demeaning way at all. If anything, such folks have found a middle path in life. At opposite extremes, you have folks who actually have to go do all those things versus those who can squelch their own interest in nearly anything by merely thinking about it for a few moments...

Re: We quit our jobs to build a cabin

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> My dad was smart enough to farm out that work. What I find curious is that this viewpoint, while widely shared in trades, is not a universally shared value in tech. Many in our industry will prefer to write something themselves, or rewrite an existing project, rather than farm that work out to an expert or adapt to what they already have. Particularly in my segment, video games: it's all well and good to write a ga…

It is hard to look at something and realize that even though you can you shouldn't. I'm a programmer, I can write the engine. Several years later I have an engine. We have many new languages all the time for similar reasons, someone thinks they can write one (generally better) and forgets about all the effort it really takes and maybe they should do something else.

On the flipside, a lot of software rework can be closer to the decision of whether to brush your own teeth, flush your own toilet, or make your own fried egg. It takes wisdom, experience, and a presumption about many other unspecified factors to determine whether these are really better to outsource or solve in-house...

Re: We quit our jobs to build a cabin

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The problem I have with "professionals" in Seattle area is that you pay a lot, and then you have to either have them come back every day to fix all the little things, or just give up and fix them yourself. It is emotionally draining that it's so costly and yet still done in a half-assed way. I may have been unlucky with the contractors, but on the other hand, it's not in their incentive to spend more time on somethin…

> it's not in their incentive to spend more time on something if they can get away with doing the job less meticulously... This is every job ever. Wait until you see the quality of code that runs big backend systems...

I think that would be true if I were to pay them by the hour. Fortunately, I'm not (at least not in the case of the remodel I'm going through now), but it means it's on me to make sure everything is the way it should be. I guess it's still a way for them to gamble - if I find a problem, they'll come back and fix it, but if I don't, that's some saved time for them. I'm ok to play this game, but it's not making me believe in "pros will do it right".

Re: We quit our jobs to build a cabin

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I'll propose that type III fun is when you're having fun while you're doing it but afterward you're absolutely miserable as a result, such as after a night of hard drinking, or a weekend of nonstop sleepless gaming.

Actually, there's already a definition for type III fun: it's not fun and you'll never think it was fun. The fun type system comes from the climbing world. Climbing offwidths is commonly cited as a type of type III fun. This is a classic example: https://vimeo.com/13831211

My brother always says "It's either good, or a good story." I guess Type II Fun is the good story. I imagine this guy's friends and probably he himself will consider this Type II with time!

Re: We quit our jobs to build a cabin

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There is an air of elitism in SV generally and sometimes on HN (I attribute this to lack of education rather than purely bad intentions). Coming from a background of unskilled blue collar work (commercial roofing, assembling buses, carpentry apprentice) this was slightly satisfying read in a sadistic way. Much like playing piano or other instrument, manual labor is a skill; watching a senior craftsman perform at a level 10x-25x of what you could do is awe inspiring.

Re: We quit our jobs to build a cabin

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> find a youtube subscription that satisfies the urge to tinker on a particular topic. I think my life got measurably better when I pivoted from "I want to do this myself" towards "It's just as satisfying to watch someone else do this". Downhill extreme mountain biking is really cool. And fun to watch. And expensive. And requires much more physical fitness than I've got. And dangerous (esp. given my physical fitness…

I think my life got measurably better when I pivoted from "I want to do this myself" towards "It's just as satisfying to watch someone else do this". So true! Works for a lot of things. It's why I stopped playing dota.

Ok, now I'm _really_ feeling targeted here.

Re: We quit our jobs to build a cabin

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This reminds me of a similar article I once read: "I opened a charming neighborhood coffee shop. Then it destroyed my life." https://slate.com/human-interest/2005/12/my-coffeehouse-nigh...

Hmm, I've spent the past few weeks considering starting a coffee truck thing. Better bookmark this.

I would think that a mobile hospitality business is much much easier to spin up and down depending on demand. If you have a physical shopfront, you're likely committing to a multi-year lease. You're chained to that for some time. With a vehicle, assuming you have somewhere to park it, you can take a break for months, or sell it in a location that has more demand or run it purely for remote events.

If you don't need to account for narrow streets in a big city, and congested parking, then short buses are often a steal in the US. Plus lots of room. That said, there is a coffee van owner who lives near me and they can easily park the vehicle in their double driveway.

Re: We quit our jobs to build a cabin

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I usually just roll my eyes at stuff like this, despite being dangerously close to the stereotype (however, most of my family is working class, so I actually worked with my hands before becoming a developer), but this line made me angry: > Sometimes, during those months of toil, our anger burned so intensely that we thought the boards we threw into the woods might never land. To paraphrase Gandalf, next time throw yo…

Why did that make you angry? Presumably it's private land and they have a vested interest in cleaning it up (especially before sale). Isn't it just talking about the highs and lows of a major challenge?

Re: We quit our jobs to build a cabin

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I used to have dreams like this. I attempted to chase these ideas every few years. I quit a very good job once and moved halfway around the world in an attempt to fulfill one of these dreams. At some point I got married and eventually had kids after which these kinds of romanticized ad-hoc adventures became impractical. Sometimes I wish I'd been more focused when I was young. I feel like I probably wasted a lot of ti…

I found this poetically beautiful, for some reason : )

The you will like Italo Calvino:

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/499400-when-a-man-rides-a-l...

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