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TikTok and the Sorting Hat

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Re: TikTok and the Sorting Hat

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Post by 7786655 »

TheDong wrote: post #154
7786655 wrote: post #153

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I don't thing the things GP is talking about are indicators of a lesser society. I don't want to look at unattractive people, and there is nothing wrong with a social media service optimizing for that preference.

> there is nothing wrong with a social media service optimizing for that preference I think there is. The world has already reached a point where we live in information bubble, surrounded by things we want to see and that agree with us. People are depressed and feel inadequate. Formerly reputable news sources have realized that people don't want to be informed, they want to be outraged, or feel smug and correct, or s…

I never said that sites that present a semi-accurate view of society shouldn't exist. But I don't think any particular site has an obligation to be fair, as long as they aren't misrepresenting their content.

Re: TikTok and the Sorting Hat

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tmpz22 wrote: post #160
Firebrand wrote: post #34

>At the time Musical.ly got renamed TikTok, it was still dominated by teen girls doing lip synch videos. Many U.S. teens at the time described TikTok as “cringey,” usually a kiss of death for networks looking to expand among youths, fickle as they are about what’s cool. Scrolling the app at the time felt like eavesdropping on the theater kids clique from high school. Entertaining, but hardly a mainstream entertainmen…

From the outside looking in a lot of their success came from sexualizing (underage) teenage girls. Don't know if that would've flown as well if the app had come out of Facebook or a different American tech giant.

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Re: TikTok and the Sorting Hat

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Post by Avtomatk »

zozin wrote: post #82
WhompingWindows wrote: post #71

Is anyone else here trying to reduce their use of technology outside of the workplace? My hobbies are music, painting, and woodworking, and it's all I can muster to focus on a screen from 9-5. I do comment here on HN and I peruse other websites, but I don't actively engage with any social media except HN. I just find myself questioning the merits of attention spent on these social media platforms, given the informati…

All of these apps are just a gigantic waste of time, and proven to be highly manipulative and emotionally draining. I've managed to avoid all of them, including FB which I only keep to message family members and friends. The fact that normally astute, rational, intelligent individuals find themselves mindlessly clicking through games or video apps goes to show how addictive and manipulative these apps are. Some of my…

Those applications will be a great waste of time, but they are there to solve the problem behind all social media: loneliness and seeking care. You can distract your mind with other things for a while, but sooner or later you will fall back on social networks, unless you stop being alone or have enough attention.

I think that living beings do not know how to survive alone, so being alone is something bad biologically and arouses something in us that makes us feel bad ... call it "loneliness" or whatever you want, but that thing kills you if you stay alone

Re: TikTok and the Sorting Hat

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Post by horsemessiah »

dfxm12 wrote: post #74
quicklime wrote: post #70

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I feel like as of late, when China sees some success that the US does not, there’s a sentiment that they succeeded only because they’re a lesser society. They have fewer coronavirus cases only because Chinese people are docile, obedient sheeple who hate freedom, or TikTok succeeded because Chinese corporations are happy to discriminate against groups that western corporations would obviously protect out of the goodne…

They have fewer coronavirus cases only because Chinese people are docile, obedient sheeple who hate freedom Who made this argument?

My father made this argument to me, almost verbatim. It's definitely out there.

Re: TikTok and the Sorting Hat

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Post by peter303 »

Interesting article in NYTimes a few minutes ago that several Trump advisers had to talk him into the MicroSoft compromise just before he was to sign the banning order. The advisors were horrified they'd lose an angry generation of new voters. In a sense this now a win-win for the administration: they punish China a little bit and dont overly alienate young voters.

Re: TikTok and the Sorting Hat

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chvid wrote: post #21
rollinggoron wrote: post #8

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Isn't this very similar to Vine, the old video social network? Which Twitter bought and properly crash a burned?

The point is not media format (short video clips) but the "sorting hat". That it breaks the traditional social media model with a news feed, discussions, a social graph of friends. I think it is completely meaningful to call it next generation (or second generation where the social graph model is the first generation). Also notice that this model can be applied to other media formats: Text, pictures, audio ...

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Re: TikTok and the Sorting Hat

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Post by libraryatnight »

7786655 wrote: post #153
quicklime wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like as of late, when China sees some success that the US does not, there’s a sentiment that they succeeded only because they’re a lesser society. They have fewer coronavirus cases only because Chinese people are docile, obedient sheeple who hate freedom, or TikTok succeeded because Chinese corporations are happy to discriminate against groups that western corporations would obviously protect out of the goodne…

I don't thing the things GP is talking about are indicators of a lesser society. I don't want to look at unattractive people, and there is nothing wrong with a social media service optimizing for that preference.

Unattractive people may be saying things worth hearing, or doing things worth seeing. You might be missing out.

Re: TikTok and the Sorting Hat

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Post by sandworm101 »

mrkramer wrote: post #123
vkou wrote: post #119

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Western nations don't have those kinds of wet markets, but we have plenty of our own unhygienic, dangerous practices when it comes to food. Take factory farming, for example. Take the mountains of antibiotics we are shoving into factory farmed animals. Take the numerous warnings from experts in biology about how this use of antibiotics is incredibly dangerous, because it has the potential to be a breeding ground for…

Hygiene in China is like in medieval Europe, nowadays in Europe only big cities are dirty which is in the most cases result of mismanagement of mayor/s. In Southeast Europe where I live cities are clean af. The thing that bothers me personally is absurd amount of pets on the streets in my country. When I go for a walk I see like 30 dogs.

But those dogs are probably far healthier than they were in the past. You don't fear rabies if one of them bites you. You aren't going to get a parasite if you pet them.

Re: TikTok and the Sorting Hat

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Post by ZeljkoS »

egypturnash wrote: post #142
wenbin wrote: post #135

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The musicaly people were already veterans in Silicon Valley tech scene (not young under silicon valley standard & with years of working experience). They raised money to build education product with short videos in it. The education product was not doing well. So they cut everything and kept the short video part. Sounds familiar? YouTube was initially a dating website with videos. Then they cut the dating part and ke…

Flickr: initially an image management/sharing tool for a 2d online game. Cut the game, kept the image sharing. Slack: initially an internal communication tool for another incarnation of the same game. Cut the game, kept the chat. (An incarnation of this game did briefly exist between these two, but only lasted about a year.)

Fascinating! For curious, here are more details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Butterfield#Career

Re: TikTok and the Sorting Hat

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Post by tengu20 »

Avtomatk wrote: post #163
zozin wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of these apps are just a gigantic waste of time, and proven to be highly manipulative and emotionally draining. I've managed to avoid all of them, including FB which I only keep to message family members and friends. The fact that normally astute, rational, intelligent individuals find themselves mindlessly clicking through games or video apps goes to show how addictive and manipulative these apps are. Some of my…

Those applications will be a great waste of time, but they are there to solve the problem behind all social media: loneliness and seeking care. You can distract your mind with other things for a while, but sooner or later you will fall back on social networks, unless you stop being alone or have enough attention. I think that living beings do not know how to survive alone, so being alone is something bad biologically…

I think that this level of analysis is really essential. It's not enough to say that something is addictive, we need to ask why.

Going one step further, I think that when social media came on the scene society in general was already fairly isolated and looking for some type of connection. Social media offered a quick fix, but frankly exacerbated the issue. It is a really vicious cycle. It feels even harder to connect to the real world around us nowadays.

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