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Re: Local-first software (2019)

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Post by mkoubaa »

m463 wrote: post #126
mkoubaa wrote: post #56

I think there's probably a market for a personal cloud, which probably sounds dumber than personal computer did in the 80s. What I mean by that is a computer somewhere in the garage, like a furnace, with enough compute and storage to drive all the devices and appliances in a house. In this model, devices do not have CPUs or memory, only input/output and a network chip. The way this would work is for the computer in t…

You might want to look at the following open-source software: - nextcloud - a system with appliance-like apps that do these sorts of things - proxmox - a vm system that allows you to deploy VMs and containers including appliance-like templates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nextcloud https://nextcloud.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxmox_Virtual_Environment https://www.proxmox.com/

Thanks, I'll read up on these!

Re: Local-first software (2019)

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Post by ozim »

eternalban wrote: post #27
ozim wrote: post #10

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There is whole bunch of reasons and that bunch of reasons has name IoT. I mean that security of such utility units would be roughly what we already see with current breed of IoT devices. To keep some kind of quality level of such devices there would have to be one big company that produces them, which does not solve the problem. If you look at IoT devices manufacturers now there is so much crap floating around becaus…

You can not possibly compare IoT -- I work in the space -- and server as utility appliances. IoT is designed to work in extreme edge conditions: low power; intermittent connectivity; constrained local storage; limitations on embedded code, etc. Further, there is currently NO financial incentive for anyone to tackle the issues necessary to take these bits of technology and make it 'home' techonlogy. We've done this fo…

Main point is not about IoT, it is about how many vendors would be needed to provide plurality in the market. With multiple vendors quality will be low.

If we go the other way around so for example we take Synology and Qnap to provide solutions for this it will be not much different than FB and Google owning all the data. Those companies have know how to do "server appliances" but then they will basically have an ownership of software and hardware and updates for those.

Which in the end achieves nothing because what is the point of having local servers running proprietary hardware and software when you have the same currently, only that servers are somewhere else.

Re: Local-first software (2019)

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Post by eternalban »

ozim wrote: post #132
eternalban wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can not possibly compare IoT -- I work in the space -- and server as utility appliances. IoT is designed to work in extreme edge conditions: low power; intermittent connectivity; constrained local storage; limitations on embedded code, etc. Further, there is currently NO financial incentive for anyone to tackle the issues necessary to take these bits of technology and make it 'home' techonlogy. We've done this fo…

Main point is not about IoT, it is about how many vendors would be needed to provide plurality in the market. With multiple vendors quality will be low. If we go the other way around so for example we take Synology and Qnap to provide solutions for this it will be not much different than FB and Google owning all the data. Those companies have know how to do "server appliances" but then they will basically have an own…

The barrier to entry is much lower on the edge side. The end result you predict is certainly possible, but only if elect to sleep through this phase like we did in the past 20 years and trust in Googles of the world.

Even if a whole slew of crap products lead the gen 1, the societal mindshift on its own is worth the effort, imo.

Re: Local-first software (2019)

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Post by kortilla »

jasode wrote: post #75
kortilla wrote: post #71

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None of your examples would disrupt the core business from functioning (barring the huge reduction in reservations from SABRE but that’s a monopoly exchange, which is a different problem). Disrupting paychecks, retirement, healthcare, stock issuance, etc were all annoying but the business would not cease to make money and those were all relatively interchangeable with other providers or had offline alternatives. The…

>The key difference with this current cloud embrace is that big billion dollar businesses are making their core business dependent on Amazon/Google/Microsoft cloud services. There's still some history missing there. Before AWS/GCP/Azure, billion dollar businesses were making their _core_ business dependent on datacenters owned by HP/IBM/Sungard/Origin/Exodus/etc. E.g. Google's early search engine (their core business…

Google didn’t depend on one colo in all but the very earliest days. Exodus ceasing to exist would not have ended the company.

It’s not even clear Intuit could continue to exist if Amazon disappeared, which was an unheard of level of dependency until the last decade.

Re: Local-first software (2019)

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Post by Buge »

seanhunter wrote: post #127
elmo2you wrote: post #26

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Many far smarter people have said this before, far more eloquently than I can, but in short: Cloud Computing (and SASS even more so) is little more than just another attempt to recreate access/info monopolies, essentially the same profit proposition as existed with closed source software, while pretending to be one of the cool kids and use politically more acceptable (but in this context rather meaningless) terms lik…

I don't think that's the full picture. There are lots of good reasons for small and medium-sized providers of b2c software to prefer SaaS and cloud delivery over on-premises that aren't anything to do with access/info monopolies. For example as a small provider you'll just kill all your velocity if you try to deliver on-prem to a number of large enterprises. They will all have different upgrade policies, testing and…

You say b2c but all the examples sound like b2b.

Re: Local-first software (2019)

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Post by seanhunter »

Buge wrote: post #135
seanhunter wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's the full picture. There are lots of good reasons for small and medium-sized providers of b2c software to prefer SaaS and cloud delivery over on-premises that aren't anything to do with access/info monopolies. For example as a small provider you'll just kill all your velocity if you try to deliver on-prem to a number of large enterprises. They will all have different upgrade policies, testing and…

You say b2c but all the examples sound like b2b.

Yeah that's an annoying typo. I meant b2b of course.
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