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27-inch iMac gets a major update

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Re: 27-inch iMac gets a major update

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Post by josho »

zamadatix wrote: post #49
gjvc wrote: post #42

8GB RAM is pretty derisory for a 2020 machine. Is there a RAM shortage somewhere I haven't heard about?

It's so the "starting at" price is low but they can mark up RAM and Storage upgrades when you actually go to order as if they were the expensive piece. They are making something like 80% margin when you max out the RAM, I assume similar for the "SSD storage" of ambiguous type. Dell did the same thing with the RAM in a 7740 and 7750 I recently ordered (work and personal), ironically about the same markup.

I swear that the MBAs are ruining the world. This is the crap that mature industries pull to grow profit since they've saturated other growth channels. Instead of product growth, MBAs come up with product bundlings to maximize profit by obscuring the true cost to customers.

Re: 27-inch iMac gets a major update

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Post by harrygeez »

asadkn wrote: post #15

It just feels wrong to buy anything new from Apple with "Intel Inside" - when they're clearly going to dump it soon, in favor of ARM (excuse me for not using the cringey term Apple Silicon).

I guess people who buy Intel Macs now, they know what they're getting into. Plus, Intel Macs will still hold strong for at least another 3-4 years minimum, and it's definitely gonna live a lot longer

Re: 27-inch iMac gets a major update

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Post by stu2b50 »

asadkn wrote: post #15

It just feels wrong to buy anything new from Apple with "Intel Inside" - when they're clearly going to dump it soon, in favor of ARM (excuse me for not using the cringey term Apple Silicon).

>ARM (excuse me for not using the cringey term Apple Silicon).

That makes less sense, though. Apple isn't using Arm's cpu architecture, just the ISC.

Apple is switching from Intel chips with x86 to Apple chips with ARM. You should, when comparing, use one pair or the other.

From x86 to arm

Or

From Intel to Apple

Re: 27-inch iMac gets a major update

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Post by bayindirh »

n3k5 wrote: post #134

“SSDs across the line with quadruple the storage” 1/4 TB of storage in the $1800 model, 1/2 TB in the $2300 one. Ugh. (So before the lower-end one had 64GB? [Edit: Nope, 1 TB Fusion Drive, thanks smnrchrds!] That would be FULL just from installing the one game the press release mentions.) What kind of magic fairy dust SSDs are they using that you can't have a sensible amount of storage space at those prices? Looking…

Can it be high endurance drives?

My MacBook Pro has used 5% of its SSD endurance in 6 years or so? It has a 1TB SSD.

I'm not filling it up, but I'm not trying to optimize the writes or something?

Re: 27-inch iMac gets a major update

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Post by perfmode »

sukilot wrote: post #142
johncalvinyoung wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sitting around waiting on the 2020 CPU revision of the 16" MBP. Will be getting that top GPU too. Just don't want to buy right now if we might get that CPU upgrade in the next 1-3 months.

What's the point of maxing out CPU/GPU on a form factor that can't manage thermals?

owner of a 16”

a question i ask myself

video rendering throttles to 30% at steady state

the top end CPU perf only lasts a minute or so before it throttles

Re: 27-inch iMac gets a major update

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Post by ezluckyfree »

fermienrico wrote: post #53
martini333 wrote: post #12

What on Earth are these bezels in 2020????

I think I might the only one who likes and wants bezels on everything that has a display. Extra large bezels. Perhaps the only exception would be phones as they increase the size of the device. Bezels are important to frame the screen content from functional perspective. Think of it like a frame for the art work. Black bezels occulude the distracting edges and background noise from the screen and you have always have…

I agree that bezels can look good, and small bezels are nice to frame the image as you mentioned, but the iMac bezels are neither small nor good looking.

Also for the record, [2] looks extremely bad.

Re: 27-inch iMac gets a major update

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Post by rgbrenner »

dijit wrote: post #19
asadkn wrote: post #15

It just feels wrong to buy anything new from Apple with "Intel Inside" - when they're clearly going to dump it soon, in favor of ARM (excuse me for not using the cringey term Apple Silicon).

Why does it matter? There will be a period where the Intel Macs are still supported and probably more stable, and it could be ~2y before your upgrade is available if it's ARM based. If you have a retina macbook pro from 2014~ it definitely makes sense to upgrade to a macbook pro 16" today. The thing will see you through another 5-6y easy.

Apple only supported PPC for about 3 years after the Intel transition... what are you basing 5-6 years of support on? Apple hasn't made that promise.

And what user that is ok with a 6 year old computer is interested in spending several thousand on a new macbook that they're going to have to throw out in 3 years? The only user I can imagine that would be ok with the 16" macbook are the users that upgrade every 2-3 years... they can risk it and likely won't lose out on anything except maybe the resale value.

Re: 27-inch iMac gets a major update

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Post by mistersquid »

easton wrote: post #56
api wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

APFS is as far as I know designed for flash and performs really badly on spinning disk. They still provide HFS+ and ExFAT as the options if you format an external spinning disk.

Will macOS install on a non APFS volume though?

> Will macOS install on a non APFS volume though?

It depends on the macOS. Only Catalina and higher (macOS 10.15) require APFS. macOS 10.14 and Mac OS X 10.x may use HFS+. That is, though High Sierra and Mojave both "want" APFS, they may be coaxed (cloned) into booting on HFS+. [0]

[0] https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/327051/can-you-upd...

Re: 27-inch iMac gets a major update

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Post by savoytruffle »

rbanffy wrote: post #133

Most interesting that, now, the only Mac you can buy with a (SSD-cached) hard disk is the 21" iMac. I guess the next update will get rid of any vestigial spinning metal storage.

It seems very important to Apple to get the T2 (similar to an iPhone 7 CPU) controller chip into all the Macs. But it seems unable to accomodate internal HDD or Fusion drives. And Most of the 21.5" models are bargain basement (as far as that goes for Apple) models. Fusion drives were an interesting digression, but obviously not the wave of da future.
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