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I want to stay informed about the world but I'm unable to read the highly editorialized doom scrollers. I'm tired of the news cheering for the hurricane and I'm tired of pointless feel good stories to bring "happy news" that isn't really news at all.

I've started to read more long-form essays on current events topics. I find they nicely summarize events in a chronological order with all of the benefit of hindsight to go with it. Opinions are generally more nuanced and the writing style assumes that you read all the way through the article.

TV news and late night talk shows are just the worst.

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Elon Musk on avoiding daily news: “ The daily news I find to be a lot of noise. Generally newspapers seem to try to answer the question, ‘What is the worst thing that happened on the Earth today?’ ”

The first time I really lost faith in the news was during the Oslo Peace Accord Talks, when CNN hosted a debate between a Palestinian and Israeli spokesperson. It seemed to me that it was quite a delicate political situation, and that simply reporting on it while leaving the top politicians to discuss would be better, but CNN really wanted a live TV debate about it. Well, it turned out that they'd specifically chosen polar opposites to discuss with one another. Now, since I've been working in media, I know the attendants weren't an accident. They are always carefully chosen. So if CNN really wanted to help the peace talks (they did after all speak highly of it), they would have invited other people, but I gather that would also have made for more "boring" TV. Obviously it was very "entertaining" to watch these two debaters have at each other, but it quickly turned so bad that the host had to intervene. During the debate I remember asking myself, "Is the CNN intentionally trying to disrupt the peace talks by inviting these two idiots to debate each other?" CNN's outreach is big and international, so this would be noticed both in Israel and Palestine. While possibly "entertaining" it did absolutely nothing to help the already bad situation. On the one side, you could perhaps claim that it's not in CNN's interest to "help" anyone (actually a certain level of conflict is what keeps most journalists fed), but in this instance they were clearly firing up people in the worst way, and thus disrupting important peace talks.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon 'Covid will be over by April' Musk?

Yes that Elon Musk. People can say dumb things, and sometimes they can say interesting things. No one is permanently locked into one or the other.

Apparently, instead of avoiding noise, his reading strategy got him into swamp of covid deniers. I guess their opinions felt better.

So it is completely relevant when he is being treated as authority.

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Was expecting a procedurally-generated Doom sidescroller conversion. I was nonetheless quite amused.

In case anyone hasn't seen it: Linear Doom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM50BifVRHA It's Doom, but if it were just a single, linear hallway.

thats amazing! It's like the modern day on rails shooters!

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I don't really understand the 'doomer' debate, that is to say complaining about negative news when the world in fact is facing enormous negative events. It seems to me sort of like the 'three-wise-monkeys', just think happy thoughts and the world gets better or something. It seems infantile. I don't see how you can fix problems if you aren't willing to in the first place look at them, as we've seen in this pandemic t…

Because negative news that's not relevant or actionable to the reader is just "feel bad" stories.

* "The governor of $not_my_state thinks that COVID is one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse."

* "President famously known for making ignorant and inflammatory statements makes ignorant and inflammatory statements."

* "Climate change is going to kill us all and since you're an individual with no political power or academic clout there's nothing you can do to stop it! Try these 17 green virtue signaling rituals to give you the illusion of control!"

* "Actual act of god is terrible for $city/$town! Feel the pain of their lives being destroyed while sipping your morning coffee."

* "Politician makes obviously misleading statements that you would have never known about except for this article. We spend 10 pages fact checking crazy make you feel good even though this article will never reach the people that will believe it."

Like god damn news is just exhausting. I wish it was empowering instead.

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I don't really understand the 'doomer' debate, that is to say complaining about negative news when the world in fact is facing enormous negative events. It seems to me sort of like the 'three-wise-monkeys', just think happy thoughts and the world gets better or something. It seems infantile. I don't see how you can fix problems if you aren't willing to in the first place look at them, as we've seen in this pandemic t…

> honestly looking at the world in sober fashion I think most people are probably not scared enough.

It's not like the media is not trying to scare everyone though... But as they keep crying wolf for every random issue like every week, it does not work as well once there's a real issue at hand. How surprising.

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I don't really understand the 'doomer' debate, that is to say complaining about negative news when the world in fact is facing enormous negative events. It seems to me sort of like the 'three-wise-monkeys', just think happy thoughts and the world gets better or something. It seems infantile. I don't see how you can fix problems if you aren't willing to in the first place look at them, as we've seen in this pandemic t…

Right now there are people sitting in their doctor's office, hearing that they have a terminal disease. They only have a small amount of time to live.

This is about as negative as news can get, and it's been happening ever since there have been people and doctor's offices.

This is a horrible thing to have to bear, and many commit suicide or have a terrible time with the news. By and large, however, people go on with their lives, finding hope, arranging their affairs, and getting ready to both fight and enjoy the time they have left.

What they don't do, by and large, is have a continuous public meltdown, even though their life might look as bleak as is possible.

Negative news is great. What's needed and not provided is context. In a world of billions of people, with millions of people able to imagine and prove to various degrees that some horrible thing is about to happen, the amount of negatively-tainted news is for all intents and purposes infinite. It always has been. We've just had shitty communication systems.

People love to consume and share negative news. They love to slow down at the car wrecks to see if they can see bodies. They love to socially-gossip about how bad something might be and how so-and-so might be taking it or not. That's wired into our systems, probably as a survival behavior. Hominids who worry about lions tend not to get eaten by them, whether or not they live near any lions or not.

In this environment and evolutionary configuration, then, some sort of filtering mechanism is required so that the things we're hard-wired to do don't take over most of our life. To admit that isn't to want to live in a pollyannish world, it's simply to grow up and start consuming a media diet instead of a shitstorm firehose. There are real problems, yes. There always have been. To solve them requires precision, emotion-free discernment and slow progress. Most folks aren't getting any of that today. They're just getting the lizard brain stimulus over and over again. Because money.

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Elon Musk on avoiding daily news: “ The daily news I find to be a lot of noise. Generally newspapers seem to try to answer the question, ‘What is the worst thing that happened on the Earth today?’ ”

Musk in particular has been... let's just say somewhat ill-informed about a bunch of recent events, though.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't see how you can fix problems if you aren't willing to in the first place look at them, as we've seen in this pandemic the virus doesn't care how optimistic you are. How can you fix problems by knowing about them? What I mean is: unless you're an expert on the problem, or willing and able to become one as soon as you've learned about it, what difference does it make whether you specifically know how bad some…

Obviously the news cycle thrives on panic and style over substance. This does not change the fact that "knowing" about the world is valuable. Effective action to address a threat is nearly impossible without an accurate model of it. People don't need to be experts about everything to become relatively well informed about many things, nor do they need to try to solve every problem at once. The appeal to institutions a…

How is "knowing" about the daily Corona virus data from around the world good for you? I get the basic idea: know to wear a mask, keep your distance, avoid groups of people in areas that aren't well ventilated. But what how does the number of deaths in some city you don't live in or near help you?

> People don't need to be experts about everything to become relatively well informed about many things, nor do they need to try to solve every problem at once.

My impression is that people are generally not well informed on anything. They know some factoids, they can repeat some headlines, but they don't understand half of it. And how could they? Even the journalists don't. Read the daily news about a topic you are an expert on and assume that they're as correct about everything else you're not an expert on.

Kony wasn't stopped by people knowing about him and his crimes and everybody spreading Kony 2012 and other Clicktivism. It doesn't change anything, other than your state of mind, which will be in a much, much worse condition.

If you do something, that's great. But it's obviously not connected to watching the news. Almost everybody watches the news, but almost nobody does anything.

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