The best Parts of Visual Studio Code are proprietary

Post by jmeister » Tue, Aug 04, 2020, 9:15 AM UTC

skohan wrote: post #47

sjellis wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say that it can be both. Large organizations like Microsoft have so many different people and teams that there isn't necessarily a group-think. On the contrary, different teams will have different priorities, and keeping people aligned is a really hard job. The thing that bothers me about Visual Studio Code is that does conform to the general Microsoft rule of enabling telemetry by default. IMO, this is not g…

I would argue that it's not about intent. The most reliable way to predict the behavior of a corporation is to expect them to take the action which will optimally help their bottom line. So for instance, the team building VSCode might be the most altruistic FOSS diehards on the planet, but that doesn't matter if the people managing them see an opportunity to leverage their work to profit MS at the expense of develope…

Post by d4rti » Tue, Aug 04, 2020, 9:17 AM UTC

sjellis wrote: post #23

skohan wrote: post #7

I can be counted as one of the skeptics of MS's open-source efforts. It just seems to me that MS's history and recent investment in open-source puts us in a quantum state between two possibilities: 1. MS has changed their ways, and has become an altruist organization which just wants to give developers things of value for free so they might hopefully choose Azure when they decide what cloud provider to run on. 2. MS…

I would say that it can be both. Large organizations like Microsoft have so many different people and teams that there isn't necessarily a group-think. On the contrary, different teams will have different priorities, and keeping people aligned is a really hard job. The thing that bothers me about Visual Studio Code is that does conform to the general Microsoft rule of enabling telemetry by default. IMO, this is not g…

Post by skohan » Tue, Aug 04, 2020, 9:18 AM UTC

jmeister wrote: post #62

skohan wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue that it's not about intent. The most reliable way to predict the behavior of a corporation is to expect them to take the action which will optimally help their bottom line. So for instance, the team building VSCode might be the most altruistic FOSS diehards on the planet, but that doesn't matter if the people managing them see an opportunity to leverage their work to profit MS at the expense of develope…

Optimally help their stock price*, which is supposed to factor in longer term effects including developer community goodwill etc.

Post by dependenttypes » Tue, Aug 04, 2020, 9:19 AM UTC

anaisbetts wrote: post #27

I mean, if you don't like that then you probably shouldn't be using Google Chrome because it has similarly proprietary bits (geolocation, translation are a few examples, but there are afaik ~30-50). Firefox most likely does as well.

Post by nudpiedo » Tue, Aug 04, 2020, 9:22 AM UTC

dependenttypes wrote: post #61

nudpiedo wrote: post #40

I do not understand people with allergy to non OSS. Compare that to any google service which barely releases the clients as open source, and the clients usually are so complex that may need quite long time to get any professional developer productive in such complex code bases. Also being tied to a controlled protocol, set of libraries, cloud infrastructure which does actually keep your data is in fact the actual evi…

> I do not understand people with allergy to non OSS. Because people do not want to go to jail/have to pay huge fines for improving a piece of software that they are using.