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I might be mistaken, but I thought they open source their agents in the early days?
We did have all the agent code out in the open but it was more "source available" than it was open source. You could see what was happening but not build on it and use it for your own nefarious purposes as you can now.
It's stupid that it was closed source in the first place. The valuable stuff is on the server side. This is not really anything exciting, if they open sourced their servers, that would be very interesting.
I agree, but they might have been scared that someone wrote a NewRelic compatible server.
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It's stupid that it was closed source in the first place. The valuable stuff is on the server side. This is not really anything exciting, if they open sourced their servers, that would be very interesting.
With regard to opening the servers I've actually just now submitted a request to give all of hacker news direct access to the infrastructure via SSH. I'll let you know what they say.
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they have let the agents stagnate and are hoping to unleash some free code from frustrated customers
I personally am much more motivated by seeing customers encouraged to add support for their favorite libraries and frameworks than scoring their sweet free codes, but I suppose there is potentially a sinister motive behind everything in life... like open source.
Sadly that’s not what is keep our customers off New Relic. They don’t care that much about open source agent, but they do care about where the server is. I understand the it’s not triviel to develop, but there is still a huge underserved marked for on-premise APMs, and those you can buy aren’t nearly as good as New Relic. Alas developing non-saas software is not exactly en vogue
I'm sure your mileage will vary but in my not so humble opinion companies that are still trying to cling to their aging fleet of servers are making pretty poor business decisions. I think this internet stuff is catching on.
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> In what New Relic executives described as adjusting to a “sea change” in open source adoption Am I missing something or did this statement strike anyone else as wildly bizarre? I feel like open source has been the default for the client side agents and libraries of SaaS products for 10 years. Microsoft, once the strongest opponent of open source, changed its tune like 5+ years ago. What could possibly be the “sea c…
If I were to guess at the "sea change" discussed herein I'd say it's probably the explosion of tech around Kubernetes and the CNCF, as that created a very sudden and urgent need for better observability tooling.
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I love NewRelic, but their pricing always baffled me. When we added it to our QA, UAT, and Staging envs, they started wanting to bill us as if we had 3x as many "production" environments. I had to explain on a call that it doesn't make sense that environments that get .0001% of the production traffic are billed at the exact same price. Basically punishing us for having a more mature SDLC. We also run our infrastructu…
I've also had some issues with New Relic - constant problems with metric names exploding. Individual unique urls that saw especially high traffic routinely ended up getting their own unique metric name until new metric name creation would get locked. This would be despite us explicitly naming requests through the sdk.
All that said, the biggest reason I still use them is because we're still on some ancient pricing that's a fraction of their current (up until now) pricing. Our rep's been bugging me to get on a call about "renewal" but if our price is going to go up 5-10x I'm moving.
> In what New Relic executives described as adjusting to a “sea change” in open source adoption Am I missing something or did this statement strike anyone else as wildly bizarre? I feel like open source has been the default for the client side agents and libraries of SaaS products for 10 years. Microsoft, once the strongest opponent of open source, changed its tune like 5+ years ago. What could possibly be the “sea c…
I've mostly worked for companies that were all in on things like open source and cloud my entire career, but it's easy to forget that there are huge companies that just recently replaced their tape drives. If I were to guess at the "sea change" discussed herein I'd say it's probably the explosion of tech around Kubernetes and the CNCF, as that created a very sudden and urgent need for better observability tooling. -…
Arguably micro services have increased the need for observability tooling, but even that “sea change” is years long in the tooth. Sure large enterprises are slow to adopt such trends, but it’s been happening and is hardly a sudden shocking development.
Maybe I’m just being pedantic or nit picky, but it does seem extra worrisome when the executives for a struggling company say something that sounds dramatically out of touch.
I might be mistaken, but I thought they open source their agents in the early days?
Didip! Long time - I'm back at NR as of a month ago after 5yrs away. We did have all the agent code out in the open but it was more "source available" than it was open source. You could see what was happening but not build on it and use it for your own nefarious purposes as you can now.
Well, I am glad that they are all open sourced now. It’s a good decision.
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I've mostly worked for companies that were all in on things like open source and cloud my entire career, but it's easy to forget that there are huge companies that just recently replaced their tape drives. If I were to guess at the "sea change" discussed herein I'd say it's probably the explosion of tech around Kubernetes and the CNCF, as that created a very sudden and urgent need for better observability tooling. -…
Open source was taking over enterprises long before k8s. There was OpenStack, Hadoop, and obviously Linux itself has been widely adopted since before New Relic’s founding (2008). Arguably micro services have increased the need for observability tooling, but even that “sea change” is years long in the tooth. Sure large enterprises are slow to adopt such trends, but it’s been happening and is hardly a sudden shocking d…
True, also not related to the point I was trying to make. Executives tend to be handwavey and vague sometimes but I'm pretty sure the "sea change" they're talking about in this case is about containerization and the rapid evolution of open source projects in that space, many of them related to observability. Kubecon had 500 attendees in 2015 and 12,000 in 2019. It's hard to deny that the popularity of that community will sway popular opinion about what technologies to embrace moving forward. I think (and again, I am guessing as I have exactly zero information that the public does not have) that New Relic and other companies are in part making decisions like this because it's becoming clear they will be left behind if they don't, and quickly.
I bet the first post-covid Kubecon will have 20k attendees and be taken over by the execs and VCs who've realized that's where the devs are, just in time for the devs to stop going and start the next thing á la reInvent. Wish I had gone before it blew up.
I also feel like "struggling" is a bit of an overstatement for a company with a $4B market cap, but maybe that's just me. I'm sure most FAANG4LYFers look at that like a lemonade stand.