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U.S. FAA proposes requiring key Boeing 737 MAX design changes

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Post by armitron »

Nacdor wrote: post #6

Given the option, would anyone choose to book a trip on one of these new Boeing aircraft rather than anything else? I know I wouldn't, my family wouldn't, and none of the friends or co-workers I've discussed this with would. Something tells me airlines are going to be making it even more difficult to determine which aircraft you'll be flying on when you book a ticket. As far as I know they're not required to tell you…

I wouldn't either and none of my friends & family would. In fact, I don't see how the they can even take the chance of flying this plane without a complete structural redesign. Another crash and they are finished for good. This spells doom for boeing.

If some airlines tried to hide or change the type of aircraft you have booked, then you can be sure there will be others that won't (and make it a selling point).

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Post by yellow_postit »

Nacdor wrote: post #6

Given the option, would anyone choose to book a trip on one of these new Boeing aircraft rather than anything else? I know I wouldn't, my family wouldn't, and none of the friends or co-workers I've discussed this with would. Something tells me airlines are going to be making it even more difficult to determine which aircraft you'll be flying on when you book a ticket. As far as I know they're not required to tell you…

Given the amount of additional scrutiny these models are getting I wouldn’t be surprised if in the long run of their lifetime they have a better safety record.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

Nacdor wrote: post #6

Given the option, would anyone choose to book a trip on one of these new Boeing aircraft rather than anything else? I know I wouldn't, my family wouldn't, and none of the friends or co-workers I've discussed this with would. Something tells me airlines are going to be making it even more difficult to determine which aircraft you'll be flying on when you book a ticket. As far as I know they're not required to tell you…

Didn’t an email link with Boeing employees basically saying the exact same thing? “I’d never let my family fly on one” or something?

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Post by ceejayoz »

yellow_postit wrote: post #12
Nacdor wrote: post #6

Given the option, would anyone choose to book a trip on one of these new Boeing aircraft rather than anything else? I know I wouldn't, my family wouldn't, and none of the friends or co-workers I've discussed this with would. Something tells me airlines are going to be making it even more difficult to determine which aircraft you'll be flying on when you book a ticket. As far as I know they're not required to tell you…

Given the amount of additional scrutiny these models are getting I wouldn’t be surprised if in the long run of their lifetime they have a better safety record.

I've been wondering about that, too. By the time they're allowed to fly, these might be the most heavily vetted and tested airliners in history.

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Post by Nacdor »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #14
Nacdor wrote: post #6

Given the option, would anyone choose to book a trip on one of these new Boeing aircraft rather than anything else? I know I wouldn't, my family wouldn't, and none of the friends or co-workers I've discussed this with would. Something tells me airlines are going to be making it even more difficult to determine which aircraft you'll be flying on when you book a ticket. As far as I know they're not required to tell you…

Didn’t an email link with Boeing employees basically saying the exact same thing? “I’d never let my family fly on one” or something?

Looks like it: https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-employees-wouldnt-let...

> 8 months before the first 737 Max crash, 2 Boeing employees talked about how they wouldn't let their families fly on the plane

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Post by shajznnckfke »

Nacdor wrote: post #6

Given the option, would anyone choose to book a trip on one of these new Boeing aircraft rather than anything else? I know I wouldn't, my family wouldn't, and none of the friends or co-workers I've discussed this with would. Something tells me airlines are going to be making it even more difficult to determine which aircraft you'll be flying on when you book a ticket. As far as I know they're not required to tell you…

Even though this model has big design flaws and a relatively bad safety record, the absolute level of risk is still pretty low. I knowingly expose myself to larger risks in my day-to-day life. So I won’t lose any sleep over booking a flight on this type of plane.

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Post by rootusrootus »

onde2rock wrote: post #10

Hum, it doesn't seem like a lot. Maybe I missing something, but looks like a software update to make MCAS more robust. And if it bug, raise an alarm and flight-crew operating procedures should be (?) to deactivate MCAS and fly without ? Could pilots actually fly the plane without MCAS ? It must feels like an entirely different aircraft.

> It must feels like an entirely different aircraft

No, if MCAS is disabled then the vast majority of the time it will fly just like normal. MCAS is only there to adjust flying characteristics when the wing is at a high angle of attack.

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Post by linuxftw »

zaroth wrote: post #3

https://www.faa.gov/news/media/attachments/19_035n-R3-8-3-20... > "To address the unsafe condition, the FAA proposes to require four design changes: (1) installing updated flight control software (with new control laws) for the FCC operational program software (OPS), (2) installing updated MDS display processing computer (DPC) software to generate an AOA disagree alert, (3) revising certain AFM flightcrew operating p…

To me, this reads as a total reduction in the effectiveness of the MCAS.

We still have no indication that operating the aircraft without MCAS is safe, therefor if the system fails during a critical moment or is otherwise unable to account for the increased angle of attack, we could see jets plummet to the earth in a stall scenario. Absolutely the worst thing that could happen.

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Post by stevehawk »

Nacdor wrote: post #6

Given the option, would anyone choose to book a trip on one of these new Boeing aircraft rather than anything else? I know I wouldn't, my family wouldn't, and none of the friends or co-workers I've discussed this with would. Something tells me airlines are going to be making it even more difficult to determine which aircraft you'll be flying on when you book a ticket. As far as I know they're not required to tell you…

I would. I get it that Boeing messed up the first time, but this was always a failure that was preventable with proper pilot instruction and awareness. Even if they didn't fix the software I couldn't imagine a 737MAX pilot not being aware of this.

People still drive Tesla's using autopilot and they drive head on into barriers on the highway or under trailers and decapitate people.

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