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Re: Thomas Sowell interview

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Am I the only one here who thinks that "Basic Economics" is overrated? I loved the first chapters but I didn't finish it because of his obvious bias against regulations. While I enjoyed his analyses of failed regulations, the book makes it seem like there're no successful market regulation laws in place and every attempt is doomed to be short-sighted like all his examples. This [1] review on Amazon from someone else…

I didn't finish it either, but mostly because of lack of time. However, I was also having an almost visceral reaction to his aversion to regulation, because I was comparing it to the situation that I know in some European countries and his claims seemed to clash with what I knew.

I wouldn't dismiss the book just because of that, but it did make the lecture rather difficult because it was challenging my assumptions and knowledge quite strongly. I guess that's good :-)

I like Ha-Joon Chang's "Economics: The User's Guide" as an introduction to economics. It's understandable, it has plenty of references and is written in a pleasant tone.

Re: Thomas Sowell interview

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post #299

It's difficult for me to come up with a charitable reason why Sowell, an arch-conservative, is somehow interesting to HN (and, to be fair, I'd say the same thing about a sudden surge in interest in Brad DeLong or Matt Bruenig), or why we'd vote City-Journal, the house organ of the Manhattan Institute, to the front page. I think it's especially dicey given the climate. If you're curious about Sowell, some policy posit…

> support for Donald Trump in 2016 (and after) Um no.. Sowell endorsed Ted Cruz in the primaries and wrote quite the scathing critique of Donald Trump: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/02/16/traged... In Sowell's own words: > Some seem to think that Donald Trump's lead in the polls and in the New Hampshire primary make him the most electable candidate, even if he often acts like an overgrown spoiled br…

He opposed Trump in the primaries, like many conservatives, and supported him in the general, like most conservatives.

Supporting Trump isn't some weird mark of shame or anything; it's not my point that he's worth dismissing because he tolerates Donald Trump. Rather: he's worth dismissing because he has practically no interesting perspectives. He's a US-style right wing conservative in the most conventional possible sense. That doesn't make him a bad person, but it does make him a weird topic for an HN discussion.

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You expanded your comment (which is fine, so did I!) and I just want to say: I'm not so much interested in debating the merits of Sowell's positions --- which would make for a boring political argument --- so much as just recognizing that he has them, and that they're the standard-issue intellectual uniform of 1990s American conservativism.

If you want to rebut the point I'm making, I think the most effective way to do so would be to spot some position Sowell has taken that is far outside the mainstream of the Hoover Institution. Then we'd be discussing what makes Sowell interesting, rather than relitigating the most boring debate in American politics.

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post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It actually doesn't depend on when it was said. It was wrong. But, for the record, he said it in October 2016.

According to the OP he said Trump would be easier to remove than Clinton. The fact that Trump was not removed from office does not make the statement wrong.

He also said, "congressional Republicans would [not] automatically spring to [Trump's] defense, if he overstepped the line," which was clearly wrong.

Re: Thomas Sowell interview

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https://www.creators.com/read/thomas-sowell/02/09/upside-dow... He was wrong and/or misleading about everything he said in this article. Maybe you should apply the same suspicion to someone like Sowell instead.

Damn, guess I was wrong. Still nothing to do with the parents argument though, you should at edit your comment to include that link so people understand what you're taking about.

If people can't figure out how the 2008 crash connects to black people defaulting on loans and bankruptcy, they are not worth an edit.

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If it were immeasurable and undefinable, then we wouldn't have studies showing disproportionate sentencing of Black people [1] or the persistent negative effects of redlining [2]. And if it were unchangeable, we wouldn't be able to construct studies to show the specific choke-points of racial inequality, nor suggest policy solutions to remedy them. > What is the systemic racism measure for Canada vs US? I don't under…

> If it were immeasurable and undefinable, then we wouldn't have studies showing disproportionate sentencing of Black people By the same standard, do you agree that there is systemic sexism against men?

Of course, patriarch theory completely accounts for this. The common view that men are more powerful and autonomous, and therefore dangerous, can probably account for some degree of their harsher treatment under the justice system, just like this view probably helps them in acquiring positions of power in the workplace.

Re: Thomas Sowell interview

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn, guess I was wrong. Still nothing to do with the parents argument though, you should at edit your comment to include that link so people understand what you're taking about.

If people can't figure out how the 2008 crash connects to black people defaulting on loans and bankruptcy, they are not worth an edit.

Nah, you switched arguments mid stream without any reason or warning, besides that the crisis argument was easier to prove wrong than the parent's. CRA was introduced 43 years ago, the 2008 crisis was 12 years ago, there is no reason to link them today.

Re: Thomas Sowell interview

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It's difficult for me to come up with a charitable reason why Sowell, an arch-conservative, is somehow interesting to HN (and, to be fair, I'd say the same thing about a sudden surge in interest in Brad DeLong or Matt Bruenig), or why we'd vote City-Journal, the house organ of the Manhattan Institute, to the front page. I think it's especially dicey given the climate. If you're curious about Sowell, some policy posit…

> It's difficult for me to come up with a charitable reason why Sowell, an arch-conservative, is somehow interesting to HN

That's pretty easy. It's because tech has a vocal arch-conservative contingent.

Why are there so many arch-conservatives in tech? I don't really have an answer to that.

Re: Thomas Sowell interview

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Has he changed his mind about marriage equality in the twenty years since he published this? https://products.kitsapsun.com/archive/2000/04-01/0001_thoma... Edit: maybe in the two decades that followed he learned that same-sex couples often raise children.

wow, for someone who has gotten pretty much nothing but praise for his supposed amazing writing ability and though process - this article is a complete steaming dumpster fire

Re: Thomas Sowell interview

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post #281

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There seem to be some mixing of hierarchies and authority here, but even anarchists aren't as dogmatically opposed to all kinds of authority that you seem to imply? "Does it follow that I reject all authority? Perish the thought. In the matter of boots, I defer to the authority of the bootmaker; concerning houses, canals, or railroads, I consult the architect or the engineer For such special knowledge I apply to such…

I was talking about Marxism and other revolutionary movements that spring from the French Revolution. VP and CTO are actual titles that confer authority. What Bakunin is describing are hierarchies of competence in a particular art ( techne ) but what would he say about parent-child relationships? I had never heard of Bakunin until now. I'm not an expert on the schools of anarchist thought by any measure so I won't pr…

> VP and CTO are actual titles that confer authority.

Those are considered illegitimate since they are undemocratic. A top-down vanguard too.

> but what would he say about parent-child relationships?

The same competence argument applies to child rearing.

Re: Thomas Sowell interview

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post #17

His economics are sound, but I often find that his takes on social issues are extremely reductionist. His social views a lot of the time are just standard conservative views (and wrong IMO), I wish he wasn't being praised for that. One example being his view on systemic racism, which he described as: “It does remind me of the propaganda tactics of Joseph Goebbels in the age of the Nazis, in which he was supposed to h…

Looking at his claim isolated from his evidence is hard to discuss. I think that also came from a TV interview, which is not the ideal forum for him to present evidence.

(When discussing "systemic racism", let's set aside specific racism, which can (and should) be specifically called out and changed.)

To explore systemic racism in more detail, we'd want to look at some measure (not necessarily a single number) of systemic racism. Once we have a way of measuring it (even crudely), we could compare across various races, countries, states, and regions. Importantly, we could compare it within a given race -- if systemic racism varies within a race, then clearly we need to revisit the definition because there are other factors at work. We could also look for other signs that something is awry, like areas that are "systemically racist" against the most politically powerful group.

Dr. Sowell has been performing this kind of research and analysis for decades, and documents it extensively in his many books.

From the quotation above, it seems that he believes that he believes that the term "systemic racism" has no useful definition remaining after this analysis, and that it's being used as propaganda to undermine institutions that stand in the way of political goals.

If you believe that systemic racism is a useful construct that leads to solutions for a better world, then by all means follow where it leads. But please focus on offering alternative policies that lead to good results, and adapt (or revert) those policies if they lead to bad results. Don't just turn it into a never-ending "discussion" that divides people with no solution.

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