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Brain-Gut Circuit Lets Microbiota Directly Affect the Sympathetic Nervous System

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Re: Brain-Gut Circuit Lets Microbiota Directly Affect the Sympathetic Nervous System

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Post by loceng »

pfundstein wrote: post #9
andai wrote: post #7

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I tried eating just steaks for a few days, and it absolutely blew my mind (1) how stable my energy was, how energetic I felt (2) how I wouldn't get hungry at all for 8-10 hours. Normally I start thinking about food an hour or two after eating!

The key to a good diet is balance. Too much red meat has equally severe health implications, leading to a higher risk for heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and premature death.[1][2] [1] https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/whats-the-bee... [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26780279/

All of these types of studies are being debunked: it's not the red meat that's the problem - it's 1) the quality of meat you're eating, and more so 2) the other crap people are eating. The first Carnivore Conference happened last year, and the movement is growing.

Edit to add: Look up Dr. Georgia Ede videos on YouTube for some of this debunking.

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Post by amelius »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #6
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #4

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18 months off sugar and I still have to consciously view dessert items as akin to poison to quell the desire to eat all of them.

Interesting. Every time I go low-carb, I loose my taste for sweets in about 3 weeks. Anything sugary starts to taste bad until I re-acclimate to it.

It's a pity there aren't many foods with a sugar level that tastes well to people who aren't acclimated to eating sugary things. The food industry has decided it's either no sugar or lots of sugar, so it seems.

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Post by chrisco255 »

pfundstein wrote: post #9
andai wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried eating just steaks for a few days, and it absolutely blew my mind (1) how stable my energy was, how energetic I felt (2) how I wouldn't get hungry at all for 8-10 hours. Normally I start thinking about food an hour or two after eating!

The key to a good diet is balance. Too much red meat has equally severe health implications, leading to a higher risk for heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and premature death.[1][2] [1] https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/whats-the-bee... [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26780279/

Mankind evolved to eat red meat. We developed fire for it. We invented spears and bow hunting for it. It's one of the healthiest foods you can consume, has been part of the human diet for over 2 million years... and besides the noted protein, it contains B12, Zinc, Selenium, Iron, Niacin, B6, Phosphorous and many other valuable nutrients. You can live exclusively off a diet of just red meat and live a long, healthy life. Many tribes do, including the Maasai in Kenya, the Sami in Finland, and the Inuit.

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Post by wincy »

amelius wrote: post #12
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. Every time I go low-carb, I loose my taste for sweets in about 3 weeks. Anything sugary starts to taste bad until I re-acclimate to it.

It's a pity there aren't many foods with a sugar level that tastes well to people who aren't acclimated to eating sugary things. The food industry has decided it's either no sugar or lots of sugar, so it seems.

Try Korean/Asian markets. I worked with a few Koreans and they thought treats sold in the USA were way too sweet. They had sweet bean curd things that tasted great when I was doing Keto and while it wouldn’t be good to eat every day they were a nice snack sometimes.

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Post by Vaslo »

The brain gut connection is incredible. For years I suffered with terrible IBS where I would almost always get nauseous after eating and would often need to immediately go to the bathroom. I also had a very difficult time gaining weight. I tried all kinds of drugs - prescriptions to treat nausea, malabsorption, even gastroparesis (slow emptying of the stomach). Nothing worked and a few of the prescriptions were nerve wracking. One was the original synthetic THC medicines that came out in the 80’s. Another one called reglan can give you something called Tardive dyskinesia which is horrible and incurable. All to just be able to eat normally and go to a movie afterwards.

I saw a doctor at one of the major medical centers and he knew my issue immediately. After ruling out a few things via tests, he started me on a small dose of very old tricyclic antidepressant called Nortriptyline. 25mg vs the therapeutic dose of ~150-200mg. It almost instantly stopped my issues. They cannot explain why it works, but he says it helps 2/3 of his fast gut patients without the mood effects or other bad side effects that have made them fall out of favor for newer drugs.

Just the idea that a simple pill can affect the gut by affecting the brain (or is it vice versa?) is really profound and tells us how much more we need to understand in the brain gut relationship.

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Post by wittyreference »

Vaslo wrote: post #15

The brain gut connection is incredible. For years I suffered with terrible IBS where I would almost always get nauseous after eating and would often need to immediately go to the bathroom. I also had a very difficult time gaining weight. I tried all kinds of drugs - prescriptions to treat nausea, malabsorption, even gastroparesis (slow emptying of the stomach). Nothing worked and a few of the prescriptions were nerve…

Tricyclics work directly on gut neurology. It’s got nothing to do with the brain.

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Post by droffel »

wittyreference wrote: post #16
Vaslo wrote: post #15

The brain gut connection is incredible. For years I suffered with terrible IBS where I would almost always get nauseous after eating and would often need to immediately go to the bathroom. I also had a very difficult time gaining weight. I tried all kinds of drugs - prescriptions to treat nausea, malabsorption, even gastroparesis (slow emptying of the stomach). Nothing worked and a few of the prescriptions were nerve…

Tricyclics work directly on gut neurology. It’s got nothing to do with the brain.

Where are you getting your information? Tricyclic antidepressants are generally SNRIs, which definitely do effect the brain. It is true that the gut also has serotonin receptors, so there can definitely be side effects there, but to say that it's the only place where TCAs have an effect contradicts decades of medical research.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricyclic_antidepressant

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Post by 55555 »

droffel wrote: post #17
wittyreference wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tricyclics work directly on gut neurology. It’s got nothing to do with the brain.

Where are you getting your information? Tricyclic antidepressants are generally SNRIs, which definitely do effect the brain. It is true that the gut also has serotonin receptors, so there can definitely be side effects there, but to say that it's the only place where TCAs have an effect contradicts decades of medical research. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricyclic_antidepressant

The way I read the parent comment:

> Tricyclics work directly on gut neurology. [The effect you are noticing] [has] nothing to do with the brain [as it is a direct result of the direct effect the tricyclic has on the gut].

Re: Brain-Gut Circuit Lets Microbiota Directly Affect the Sympathetic Nervous System

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Post by jryan49 »

Vaslo wrote: post #15

The brain gut connection is incredible. For years I suffered with terrible IBS where I would almost always get nauseous after eating and would often need to immediately go to the bathroom. I also had a very difficult time gaining weight. I tried all kinds of drugs - prescriptions to treat nausea, malabsorption, even gastroparesis (slow emptying of the stomach). Nothing worked and a few of the prescriptions were nerve…

I have a similar anecdote. Starting an ssri (luvox) cured my ibs.

Re: Brain-Gut Circuit Lets Microbiota Directly Affect the Sympathetic Nervous System

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Post by loceng »

andai wrote: post #7
msandford wrote: post #5

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My dad's dad had a sweet tooth, my dad has one, and I do too. About a month ago I resolved to eating at least 100g of protein per day (1.2g/kg) to see if that wouldn't help me with some recovery and healing. It was a real chore to eat that much. I would eat three eggs and black beans for breakfast to get ~30g, then shoot for 30-40g for lunch and another 30-40g for dinner. I was eating a lot of cottage cheese to make…

I tried eating just steaks for a few days, and it absolutely blew my mind (1) how stable my energy was, how energetic I felt (2) how I wouldn't get hungry at all for 8-10 hours. Normally I start thinking about food an hour or two after eating!

Being in a ketogenic state allows your body to have constant access to your fat reserves, so that's where you can get the constant, stable energy from - and any excess calories, say from meat or the other keto foods you're eating will of course store as fat for later use. There's an One Meal A Day (OMAD) movement that's starting, where people are doing intermittent fasting but instead of a 6:18 ratio - 6 hours where people eat, 18 hours not eating - they'll do a 1:23, where they eat all they need in an hour or so.
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