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TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by cma »

albacur wrote: post #388
billfruit wrote: post #195

As someone from the third world this leaves a very bad feeling if it happens. I do expect it runs into legal hurdles before that. Neither Apple nor Google have found TikTok problematic enough to delist them from their app stores. Neither is there charges that TikTok may have broken US laws. Banning something which hasn't broken US laws, on arbitrary grounds shouldn't be possible. The President shouldn't have authorit…

> Chinese policy seems to have not significantly changed in the last 5 years towards the US, but on the other hand US seemed ever more keen and eger to pursue a hostile attitude towards China. For decades, China has blocked U.S. companies from fair competition, reneged on trade deals when it suits them, backed out of industrial partnerships after extracting the IP it deems useful, and generally been a bad trade partn…

Sounds exactly like how the US developed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater

Otherwise we would be trading beaver pelts and providing cheap labor.

Trump is banning TikTok because a bunch of teens pranked his rally using the platform.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by [deleted] »

chrischen wrote: post #368
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that it justifies our behavior, but I can’t help but cringe a bit when considering how China locks American companies out of its market but expects better access for Chinese companies in the American market. America-Chinese relations started going downhill in 2009 when China thought it prudent to start blocking most Americans services, America just took a decade to follow up with similar bad behavior.

Because we believe in the free market and they believe in a controlled market? I mean, are you suggesting we also move the planned economy model because China is right? It’s not like we adopted a free market model for the benefit of foreign interests... it’s simply a better model (in our belief) for creating a healthy economy.

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Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by FriendlyNormie »

billfruit wrote: post #195

As someone from the third world this leaves a very bad feeling if it happens. I do expect it runs into legal hurdles before that. Neither Apple nor Google have found TikTok problematic enough to delist them from their app stores. Neither is there charges that TikTok may have broken US laws. Banning something which hasn't broken US laws, on arbitrary grounds shouldn't be possible. The President shouldn't have authorit…

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Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by apatters »

cma wrote: post #581
albacur wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chinese policy seems to have not significantly changed in the last 5 years towards the US, but on the other hand US seemed ever more keen and eger to pursue a hostile attitude towards China. For decades, China has blocked U.S. companies from fair competition, reneged on trade deals when it suits them, backed out of industrial partnerships after extracting the IP it deems useful, and generally been a bad trade partn…

Sounds exactly like how the US developed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater Otherwise we would be trading beaver pelts and providing cheap labor. Trump is banning TikTok because a bunch of teens pranked his rally using the platform.

It's exactly how South Korea and many other countries developed (and continue to develop) as well.

The difference here is that China is positioning itself as a political rival to the United States. America is under no obligation to help its rivals develop.

Prior to Xi Jinping's belligerent foreign poljcy America was considerably more welcoming to Chinese companies. You reap what you sow.

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Post by [deleted] »

jewelry wrote: post #580
albacur wrote: post #454

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My comment wasn't specific to TikTok, but rather OP's assertion that the U.S. is a hostile actor, whereas China is just being China. Regarding TikTok, foreign-owned companies must follow U.S. laws, which are subject to due process. Additionally, they must not pose an imminent threat to national security. For better or worse, the government tends to be tight-lipped about matters of national security and isn't compelle…

Cannot believe the president has the power without legal battle to ban business activity. If it's national security, let out the cat. Otherwise how could people believe if this won't happen to SAP, Volkswagon, Sony next time.

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Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by schuke »

I wonder if anyone know that TikTok is currently actively blocking access from Chinese users. Even with a US Apple ID, even with a VPN/Shadowsocks service, you cannot sign up TikTok as long as your phone is using a Chinese SIM card. I have to use an iPad.

What you have is something the internet has never seen: unlike Google having to censor its content within China, you now have a allegedly independent US company actively censoring the Chinese people on a social network that identifies itself as non-political, on US (or Free World) soil.

This is a type of censorship that's far worse than anything Google or Yahoo or Microsoft ever had to do. Imagine more and more Chinese-owned companies doing this world wide. This is just absolutely ugly practice that shouldn't be allowed to proliferate.

It's not only a national security issue. It's also a human rights hazard.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by jbgud »

billfruit wrote: post #195

As someone from the third world this leaves a very bad feeling if it happens. I do expect it runs into legal hurdles before that. Neither Apple nor Google have found TikTok problematic enough to delist them from their app stores. Neither is there charges that TikTok may have broken US laws. Banning something which hasn't broken US laws, on arbitrary grounds shouldn't be possible. The President shouldn't have authorit…

>>Neither Apple nor Google have found TikTok problematic enough

Security researchers have found it grossly problematic though.

1. https://www.proofpoint.com/us/blog/threat-protection/underst...

2. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/tiktok-flaws-...

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by m0zg »

em500 wrote: post #450
m0zg wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social media (AKA "election interference") market. You're only pretending to "not get" my point.

It seems that you're presuming that I would have some sort if issue if Yandex were to try to start a FB competitor in the US, which I don't. So I really don't get your point. FWIW, vk.com already freely operates in the US, and I don't see any problems with that either.

> vk.com already freely operates in the US

If it had 50M US users, it'd be banned within a week. Stop playing dumb.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by fermienrico »

schuke wrote: post #586

I wonder if anyone know that TikTok is currently actively blocking access from Chinese users. Even with a US Apple ID, even with a VPN/Shadowsocks service, you cannot sign up TikTok as long as your phone is using a Chinese SIM card. I have to use an iPad. What you have is something the internet has never seen: unlike Google having to censor its content within China, you now have a allegedly independent US company act…

Umm...there is nothing remarkable about this. CCP wants their citizens to use a vetted service, that’s in full control and has surveillance capabilities.

They already ban YouTube, Google, Facebook, Instagram, etc. amongst many other sites.

Tiktok has a local version for Chinese users I believe and Tiktok wants to make sure Chinese users do not sign up for international version of Tiktok app.

Tiktok is owned by ByteDance which is not a US firm. It’s based in China.

Am I missing something?

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Post by Temasik »

billfruit wrote: post #195

As someone from the third world this leaves a very bad feeling if it happens. I do expect it runs into legal hurdles before that. Neither Apple nor Google have found TikTok problematic enough to delist them from their app stores. Neither is there charges that TikTok may have broken US laws. Banning something which hasn't broken US laws, on arbitrary grounds shouldn't be possible. The President shouldn't have authorit…

china cheats, they even cheat their own kind

take that for argument

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