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Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of president’s supporters

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Re: Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of president’s supporters

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Post by ashishb »

ve55 wrote: post #9

Very glad I'm not Facebook. No matter what choices you make, millions (or billions) will hate you. Is decentralization the only solution, if it even is one?

We need to think federation here. Some websites have more racist content. Some have more porn. We can choose to visit a website which sorry suits our sensibilities. That's not the case with a social network. They have to apply one set of policies to all. The problem though is that there is no business model that supports federated social networks.

Re: Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of president’s supporters

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Post by nyolfen »

Zenst wrote: post #24
zadler wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Censorship resistance, potentially

That is a double edged coin. Thinking of fake news, spam, scams etc.

microcommunities and web of trust. the things you mentioned are not eliminable but i trust my peers more than a multinational with conflicting values.

Re: Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of president’s supporters

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Post by duxup »

nyolfen wrote: post #32
Zenst wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a double edged coin. Thinking of fake news, spam, scams etc.

microcommunities and web of trust. the things you mentioned are not eliminable but i trust my peers more than a multinational with conflicting values.

That's just echo chambers...

Re: Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of president’s supporters

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Post by y2bd »

duxup wrote: post #34
nyolfen wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

microcommunities and web of trust. the things you mentioned are not eliminable but i trust my peers more than a multinational with conflicting values.

That's just echo chambers...

How is that different from any follow-based network?

Re: Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of president’s supporters

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Post by boring_twenties »

jasonlingx wrote: post #22
coliveira wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook has to follow the law. Now, we can debate if the law is fair or not, but distributing in Brazil the content of these accounts goes against the law.

The Brazilian Supreme Court is asking Facebook to block accounts globally, not only in Brazil.

Asking? Is that what they're doing?

Re: Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of president’s supporters

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Post by oscargrouch »

jasonlingx wrote: post #22
coliveira wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook has to follow the law. Now, we can debate if the law is fair or not, but distributing in Brazil the content of these accounts goes against the law.

The Brazilian Supreme Court is asking Facebook to block accounts globally, not only in Brazil.

The Supreme Court asked them to block the delivery of content inside of Brazil, for brazilians in Brazil's territory.

It doesnt matter where the original account is stored.

Those accounts are part of a large network of fake news spreading, with a lot of cash apparently originating from the country government itself..

The individuals themselves keep all the free speech rights.. they can go to newspapers, social media or speak on the streets. The only thing that is blocked its the accounts that are bounded to this fake news network process being judged by the supreme court.

Free speech cant be used as an excuse to constantly commit abuses and crimes that menace to demolish democratic institutions.

Democracy must have means to protect itself from malicious actors that are massively lying in a industrial scale fomented by big money from populists that dreams becoming dictators.

If part of this money is public, this is even worse.

We should have learned at least one or two about how the proto-fascists used every immoral and even illegal trick in the book to turn a democratic society into a fascist nightmare.

Re: Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of president’s supporters

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Post by flattone »

Romanulus wrote: post #18
flattone wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose at MZ's level what billions think of you means nothing.

How about a Brazillion?

Im not sure. Im strictly commenting that, we can never take away from him (i think) that fact that he has like... everything

Re: Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of president’s supporters

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Post by zajd »

gruez wrote: post #20

What is it going to take for facebook to voluntarily exit a country? Courts/governments all around the world are pushing the limits on what their jurisdictions cover, and facebook is being spineless. With this case it's somewhat reasonable, in the sense that the action mainly affects Brazilians, but how long until countries try to use its citizens as leverage to get facebook to conduct foreign influence? eg. country…

Why would they exit? Are you under the impression that they exist to do anything more than profit as much as possible?

Re: Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of president’s supporters

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Post by gjvnq »

hu3 wrote: post #5

I sure hope they can reverse it in court. Otherwise this will be a precedent for that judge to block any account it sees fit under the threat of imprisoning a Facebook or Twitter employer. > Given the threat of criminal liability to a local employee, at this point we see no other alternative than complying with the decision by blocking the accounts globally, while we appeal to the Supreme Court.

> I sure hope they can reverse it in court.

This will be diffcult because the original order already came from our Supreme Court. However, it was decided/signed by a single justice/judge. The appeal asks for the matter to be decided by whole court (11 justices).

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