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Post by sidlls »

electronWizard wrote: post #502
sidlls wrote: post #361

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There’s diplomatic pressure and then there’s egregious crackdowns in service of totalitarianism.

>then there’s egregious crackdowns in service of totalitarianism. Are you meaning using opaque processes to decide who goes on secret kill lists and then assassinating them with drones. Including American citizens with no due process? Don't get me wrong I like the US, especially when compared to China, but you can't claim the moral high ground in international diplomacy when twenty years into this century you've alre…

The US, for all its flaws, is not yet a dictatorship that oppresses any opposition to the government with harsh penalties including imprisonment end execution.

We’ve got serious problems and are well down the path of a fascist police state, but we aren’t there yet. Compared to China we very much can take the moral high ground.

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Post by nardi »

jjcon wrote: post #455
nardi wrote: post #328

The real reason behind this is that TikTok teens ruined his Tulsa rally and now he wants to get back at them. Simple as that.

So why did India already ban it and why is Australia and Japan in talks to ban it?

I’m not saying there aren’t good reasons to ban it, I’m just saying that’s not why Trump is doing it.

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Post by Apocryphon »

javagram wrote: post #398
MangoCoffee wrote: post #367

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American withdrawal from the global stage. It does not start with Trump but Clinton. After Cold War, little by little American is retreating from the world stage and letting go of its "leader" position. Trump just speed up this process. You can see it in WHO. Every president before Trump have neglect it. It will be an interesting time when American completely exit the world stage.

Clinton established the WTO and signed NAFTA. He also saber rattled against China during the taiwan straits crisis, bombed plenty of foreign countries, went to war over Kosovo in violation of the UN charter, and various other actions. I don’t really see how that’s “withdrawal from the global stage”

Not to mention what went down in Russia:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/06/26/russian-el...

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Post by Mehdi2277 »

sn_master wrote: post #451
dilap wrote: post #273

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Apple fights to not be forced to unlock phones, which is admirable, but they'll happily turn over your iCloud data. To me the greater outrage is that the president can arbitrarily decide which apps citizens may or may not use. I would like to make that choice for myself, thank you very much.

Is that an abuse of power? Probably yes. Do I agree with it? Absolutely yes, because it is for the greater good of the citizens of the country. Do I like Trump in general? Absolutely not, but I also don't automatically start cursing any decision he makes just because its made by him without trying to use two brain cells to analyze it first. I feel safer knowing US data can be accessed by US government entities than f…

They've already done that. Currently there are a couple major data centers being in US/Singapore. US data is not permitted to go to china. The data currently is stored in a mix of US/singapore so can't claim solely US. The relevant blog post is here, https://newsroom.tiktok.com/en-us/statement-on-tiktoks-conte.... I'd guess if US requested data to be solely US, that shift would probably be fine as currently singapore is mainly used as a backup and it'd be doable to have data centers in more distinct regions as currently US data is in just virginia.

Also trump already announced he does not intend to permit microsoft acquiring tiktok to be enough to not ban them. I'm doubtful he'd have any chance winning a court case if tiktok did sell to microsoft, but sounds like he'll push on the ban regardless.

Disclaimer: I work at mountain view tiktok.

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Post by elSidCampeador »

hhsuey wrote: post #458
quotemstr wrote: post #409

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The problem here isn't TikTok being banned. I couldn't care less about TikTok. The problem here is singling out an individual entity for punishment outside an established framework of laws just because we don't like it . You can be tough on China without becoming China. Nobody is suggesting that China's trade policy go unchallenged. What I do want is a policy including evidence, recourse, and the possibility of compl…

> You can be tough on China without becoming China. Honest question. Do you know how this could be done? I'm not too familiar with foreign affairs.

> You can be tough on China without becoming China.

Sovereign nations have always reserved the right to decide what is allowed on their shores. That they disallow an entity from operating on their shores does not mean that they have "become China".

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Post by markus_zhang »

cwhiz wrote: post #323

I’m fine with anything that damages China. The entire western world should be grouping together to fight the Chinese state. Their behavior the last couple of decades is obscene. Right now, in 2020, China is operating Muslim concentration camps. Their factories are “employed” by de facto slave labor. The western world should universally shun China. Ban anything that originates from China or anything that contains part…

In fact, the computer you use to make posts on ycombinator could contain some components from China as well.

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Post by throwaway798754 »

albacur wrote: post #470
_6fmb wrote: post #286

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No they didn't, both Facebook and Google decided to quit themselves. Remember Dragonfly? Google just tried to get back into China THIS YEAR and was blocked by the US government. It's the US that's closing access to China not the other way around.

Wrong, Facebook was blocked in China following the July 2009 Ürümqi riots because Facebook refused to release information about Xinjiang independence activists. In March 2009, China blocked access to Google's YouTube due to footage showing Chinese security forces beating Tibetans. Access to other Google online services was denied to users arbitrarily. The search engine remained operational under the condition that th…

> Xinjiang independence activists.

I just looked this up and the “activists” killed 197 people and injured thousands more during those riots.

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Post by humaniania »

billfruit wrote: post #195

As someone from the third world this leaves a very bad feeling if it happens. I do expect it runs into legal hurdles before that. Neither Apple nor Google have found TikTok problematic enough to delist them from their app stores. Neither is there charges that TikTok may have broken US laws. Banning something which hasn't broken US laws, on arbitrary grounds shouldn't be possible. The President shouldn't have authorit…

I blame China having over 1,000,000 of it's citizens in concentration "re-education" camps for the deteriorating relationship. What kind of leadership allows that type of behavior? Not a competent one. It's shameful that this is being allowed to happen. I support measures to limit the propaganda being spread by China's government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

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Post by Mehdi2277 »

sukilot wrote: post #91
ideals wrote: post #76

social media app that has up to 80 million daily active users in the United States. Crazy that one person can ban something over 1/4 the US population uses every day. The implications of that are staggering. (for any politically trigger fingered voters who think this opinion is derived based on current administration, you would be incorrect. I do not think something like this should ever be decided by a single person…

Crazy that one person controls an app that over 1/4 the US population uses. Crazy that over 1/4 the population uses one entertainment app. I don't even see how that's possible, even if all tweens/teens/teen-aspirationals use it.

The simple answer is the age penetration in older ages has grown. You can use these numbers to get a rough estimate, https://www.statista.com/statistics/1095186/tiktok-us-users-...

Disclaimer: I work at US tiktok.

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Post by throwaway798754 »

novok wrote: post #307
moneywoes wrote: post #168

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Not sure why you're getting down voted but does anything genuinely think trade has been fair for the US, Canada and China? Would love to hear the opposing side.

There is a segment on HN that reflexively down votes things criticizing china. I've noticed it in my own posts. (this one got downvoted too, unique to the china ones ;)

There’s also a segment that reflexively down votes things defending or even being neutral on China.
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