TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by manquer » Sat, Aug 01, 2020, 5:08 PM UTC

est wrote: post #110

ericmay wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t think it’ll change with Biden. The rhetoric level may change, but the overall sentiment is quite bipartisan and public opinion of China right now in America is awful. Also, the US can just ban it tomorrow and it’ll disappear.

then tiktok may simply provide a web version. Will US build some kind of firewall?

They will not have remotely the same size of users who will be using the web version. The concern is size of their the control , not that they control at all

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by starfallg » Sat, Aug 01, 2020, 5:08 PM UTC

aey wrote: post #92

factorialboy wrote: post #80

What if China stalls and the US administration changes in a few months.

Pivot to the pacific was an Obama initiative that was loooong in the making. It doesn’t matter who drives the train, the tracks are already laid.

Yup, it was Trump that tantrumed out of the TPP, which was created as a firewall to China. Because of this, China has been growing increasingly confident, sensing the weakness in this administration and its inability to play geopolitics properly.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by rtx » Sat, Aug 01, 2020, 5:08 PM UTC

ericmay wrote: post #98

factorialboy wrote: post #80

What if China stalls and the US administration changes in a few months.

Don’t think it’ll change with Biden. The rhetoric level may change, but the overall sentiment is quite bipartisan and public opinion of China right now in America is awful. Also, the US can just ban it tomorrow and it’ll disappear.

So what is the source of Beijing Biden?

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Post by mrtksn » Sat, Aug 01, 2020, 5:08 PM UTC

pknerd wrote: post #46

US is doing with China what China did with them. American VCs and business men used to criticize and mock Chinese government for it. Since US is following the footsteps of China, I wonder whether Chinese will be doing what US VCs did?

Which also means USA is doing with it's citizens what China did with theirs.

You will regret having the government choosing your apps and websites. Your jubilee will turn into sorrow, the Chinese way of life business is not a good life. You will regret becoming a China.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by eunos » Sat, Aug 01, 2020, 5:08 PM UTC

namelosw wrote: post #66

From the US-China conflict perspective, it seems the Trump administration is looking for something that China cannot easily retaliate. China can easily pick a consulate to close when the US closes consulate in Houston. But businesses from the US in China always require Chinese companies to operate, just like World of Warcraft is operated by NetEase in China. After Microsoft acquire Tiktok's operation, if China just p…

I doubt China is interested to escalate this, beside some rhetoric. In fact, U.S. might open the pandora box of data sovereignty. China already started to change U.S. just as Pompeo feared.

FYI, among the big tech Microsoft seems to have one of the best relationship with the Chinese state. Bing and Outlook is available albeit censored. Windows also widely used. It could be the case that Microsoft has a back channel with Chinese gov and already discussed this issue. I hope that the acquisition will be smooth.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by sergiotapia » Sat, Aug 01, 2020, 5:10 PM UTC

samstave wrote: post #42

https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news...

"removed by mods" - exactly why I deleted my reddit account. They were conditioning children and young people to be okay with censorship.

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Post by starfallg » Sat, Aug 01, 2020, 5:10 PM UTC

baybal2 wrote: post #77

homarp wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hidden forces behind Toutiao: China’s content king - https://www.ycombinator.com/library/3x-hidden-forces-behind-... is an interesting read.

Too much hype. 2 reasons for the meteoric rise: Super duper aggressive marketing spend, akin Apple's iphone rollout. A long going murmur about them using funny accounting to drive their valuation into stratosphere, and use it to raise money. "Machine learning" and everything else all fluff. I can pretty much imagine something akin to page rank for videos being used, with some perceptrons sprinkled on top.

>Super duper aggressive marketing spend, akin Apple's iphone rollout.

That's the real reason. Bytedance spent millions, possibly hundreds of millions, to buy those users. You couldn't escape from those ads in 2019.

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Post by kyawzazaw » Sat, Aug 01, 2020, 5:11 PM UTC

CyanLite4 wrote: post #33

Trump seems intent on this because of the Tulsa Rally fiasco. But at what point does it backfire on him? Tens of millions of pissed off 18yr olds could easily sway the election. Meanwhile, Microsoft has quietly avoided the anti-trust spotlight recently yet has acquired github, LinkedIn, and now a social network that could rival Facebook. Satya Nadella is a genius.

18yr old are hopefully not pissed off primarily stemming from the ban of this one app.

Regardless, young population have historically been absent from voting.

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Post by manquer » Sat, Aug 01, 2020, 5:12 PM UTC

baybal2 wrote: post #95

namelosw wrote: post #66

From the US-China conflict perspective, it seems the Trump administration is looking for something that China cannot easily retaliate. China can easily pick a consulate to close when the US closes consulate in Houston. But businesses from the US in China always require Chinese companies to operate, just like World of Warcraft is operated by NetEase in China. After Microsoft acquire Tiktok's operation, if China just p…

Very much that. Beijing is running out of big "American" companies it can retaliate against. No Facebook in China, no Tviter in China, all major American brands are effectively franchises, or joint ventures, so they will be shooting their own business in the foot. They can of course order those Chinese joint venture owners to appropriate the American stake in their corporate entities, but those state never been high…

It will cripple China even more than Apple .

Apple will have 1-2 really bad years and would eventually be able to move their supply chain to other countries . Apple has the money to whether that storm

The millions of jobs lost in China would be permanent, and start a trend and they loose their manufacturing edge .

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by gpm » Sat, Aug 01, 2020, 5:12 PM UTC

est wrote: post #110

ericmay wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t think it’ll change with Biden. The rhetoric level may change, but the overall sentiment is quite bipartisan and public opinion of China right now in America is awful. Also, the US can just ban it tomorrow and it’ll disappear.

then tiktok may simply provide a web version. Will US build some kind of firewall?

They'll probably end up banning advertisers from paying them, and TikTok from paying content creators. Sure, Americans will still be able to access the content (over an inferior interface), but TikTok will probably be losing money on American viewers (not necessarily a problem for a propaganda outlet), and TikTok won't be able to incentivize good content.