The science behind a rice cooker is fascinatingly clever, yet painfully simple. In short, boiling water temperature plateaus due to the latent heat of vaporization. When the water is gone the temperature of the pot starts to rise. The rice cooker uses this principle to control the switch. The switch is held by magnet. When the pot finishes boiling the heat rises and exceeds the curie point of the magnet, which means…
> When the water is gone the temperature of the pot starts to rise. Water-to-rice ratios are important. America's Test Kitchen has a good video on the topic, especially if you're using a pot and not a rice cooker: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOOSikanIlI * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJFU7ezipbg The rice actually only 'needs' a 1:1 ratio, but you need to put in extra to deal with evaporation; brown rice need…
The battle to invent the automatic rice cooker
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It's not the magnet's curie point; it's the curie point of the metal the magnet sticks to. And I guess it's not really the curie point, just the point where the force becomes weaker than the spring
That sounds wrong. From wiki "In physics and materials science, the Curie temperature (TC), or Curie point, is the temperature above which certain materials lose their permanent magnetic properties". What you're saying is that metals stop being attracted to magnets above a certain, rather low temperature. Possible but very hard for me to imagine.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wouldn't this result in different amounts of water depending on the dimensions of the pot?
Evaporation rate should be proportional to surface area, so the volume of extra water you need to add to make up for that should also be proportional to the surface area too. Adding extra water to a fixed depth accomplishes that. This is assuming a pot with straight sides, at least above the lowest water level during cooking.
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#94I don't quite get why people think that pot rice on the stove is somehow difficult. Measure your rice and water, and set up a timer. That's it. We've been cooking rice for millennia in this way, a rice cooker is just plastic waste in the end.
100%. The proper measuring of ingredients and timing is all that's required. Take a look at the first line of the article: Cooking rice on a stovetop can be fraught. Add too much water and you end up with porridge. Then take a look at this line shortly afterwards: These devices can seem all-knowing. So long as you add water and rice in the right proportions, it’s nearly impossible to mess up So in other words, the de…
The timing is never important on anything as long as you always get it right.
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#95The science behind a rice cooker is fascinatingly clever, yet painfully simple. In short, boiling water temperature plateaus due to the latent heat of vaporization. When the water is gone the temperature of the pot starts to rise. The rice cooker uses this principle to control the switch. The switch is held by magnet. When the pot finishes boiling the heat rises and exceeds the curie point of the magnet, which means…
I knew it would be a video from that channel, haha. I discovered it recently and it's a treasure trove of fascinating, "How It's Made"-on-crack technology videos. Link for the lazy: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCy0tKL1T7wFoYcxCe0xjN6Q
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#96There's a marketing story about a western company that tried to introduce their product to the Japanese market with the slogan: "as easy as cooking rice" - which, according to the story managed to insult every Japanese woman as cooking rice was - according to the story - considered more or less an art form in Japan at the time.
Anyone has details about this story?
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
> When the water is gone the temperature of the pot starts to rise. Water-to-rice ratios are important. America's Test Kitchen has a good video on the topic, especially if you're using a pot and not a rice cooker: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOOSikanIlI * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJFU7ezipbg The rice actually only 'needs' a 1:1 ratio, but you need to put in extra to deal with evaporation; brown rice need…
That's not right. Jasmine rice for instance requires more like 1,5:1 water, at least (you can go up to 1,75 for extra softness). And for what it's worth, it's what is written on the bags I buy.
ATK mentions various types of rice that they experimented with; there doesn't seem to be anything special about jasmine:
> We gathered 17 different varieties of rice, including white and brown short-grain, medium-grain, long-grain, basmati, and jasmine [!!!!] rice plus two varieties of red and black rice. After rinsing the rice to remove excess surface starch, we placed 1 cup of each type with 1 cup of water in a vacuum bag and sealed them to ensure that no water could evaporate during cooking. […]
> To the surprise of our tasting panel, every variety of rice was properly cooked using the 1:1 ratio of rice to water. All of the rice types were tender throughout with no chalky or mushy grains. In addition, the water had been completely absorbed in each sample.
* https://www.cooksillustrated.com/articles/1692-nailing-the-p...
You can easily re-create their experiment: buy a bunch of rice, put them in sealed bags with water, completely seal the bags, and cook them sous vide. Cook one bag of jasmine at 1:1, one at 1.5:1, 1.75:1, etc.
The statements are falsifiable / confirmable.
Again: long/medium grain rice has 1.5:1 recommended, and brown rice 2:1, because of longer cooking times—which allows for more evaporation to occur. The rice itself only needs 1:1, anything else is about factoring evaporation which is fixed regards of quantity being cooked.
So when measuring out: do 1:1 for the cups of rice, and then add the extra needed for your particular pot-stove combination.
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>Zojirushi seems to be the market leader these days They also make the best insulated bottles. It's completely besides the point but I felt compelled to talk about it, a good bottle is a game changer when you're drinking tea or coffee at your desk all day long.
I appreciate the comment and I’ll look into one.
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The traditional method in a lot of Asia (per what I’ve read online) is to put a finger on top of the rice pointing down, so that your fingernail is touching the rice, and to fill water up to your knuckle.
Wouldn't this result in different amounts of water depending on the dimensions of the pot?
If you use different pots, with lids of perhaps different levels of sealing, then your results will be all over the place. If you always use the same 2-3 qt/L pot, you'll always get the same evaporation.
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#100Being a minute late is too much sometimes. I used to have to "learn" how to cook a new bag because the grains are different sizes, sometimes it's not really brown or white but white-brown or brown-white. The best Japanese rice is in my opinion, from California. I like Koda Farms, their brown rice is just about as close as you can get to the flavor of white rice while having a decent amount of nutrition. Fun fact, the "flower name" for America is 米国. Means rice country. Nowadays people just say Amerika in Katakana which technically has a kanji representation as 亜米利加 but even that has the word rice in it. China calls us 美利坚合众国, which means beautiful country.
It's not difficult to eyeball what it takes to make good rice. Quick and dirty rule is having just enough water to cover the rice. I just stick my pinky in and measure up to the second phalange. You basically just heat until it boils, quickly escape the air, release to mid heat and then keep an eye on it for about 10-15 minutes without opening the lid. If your technique is good, you can kind of estimate how long it takes on a linear scale for cups to cooking time. A clear lid helps, it'll just look right. Key thing to do is take your rice spatula and just carve out the edges when it's done so you're getting a more consistent mix.
Later in life, I got the 1.8L Neuro Fuzzy Rice Cooker by Zojirushi. I fell in love with the name, which is apparently from artificial intelligence. Not sure how they come up with that.
Here's the thing: sure, it's easy to make one kind of rice and costs almost nothing to do. With a dedicated rice cooker though, I can make any kind of rice, in any amount, without having to think about it. The inside of the pot has markers for your rice quantity and water volume for each type. I have the larger cooker, so it kind of takes longer (it consistently takes one hour to cook about 3-4 cups, which is simple to plan around). There's a quick cook setting which makes no discernible difference in consistency. Every time I turn it on, it sings a cute little song and then sings another one when it's done. I find it utterly delightful.
Here's why you get a rice cooker. Sure, you can make rice in like 15 minutes on the stove. But then what do you do if you have leftovers? Put them in the fridge where it gets stale? With a rice cooker, I make 5-6 cups at the beginning of the week, and I can leave it there for at least 72 hours and it stays incredibly fresh. I wouldn't recommend it, but I've left it in there for 4 days. Constant heat kills any bacteria or mold that might take.
I don't have to worry about my rice technique. I don't have to worry about storing and heating leftovers. I can make as much rice as I want and save myself time and effort throughout the week. If I wanted to be even more efficient, I could let the rice soak overnight, and set a timer for it to start cooking right before I wake up. It's one less thing to worry about, and I can time all of my meals around it so that everything's ready at the same time.
You can also make other things besides rice such as pancakes or pasta in it. Pasta's a bit more difficult, but I've made perfect pancakes in this thing.
Highly recommend Zojirushi for their excellent insulation products.