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Re: Ask HN: I have $450K cash, what should I do to maximize my return?

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Ever since John Bogle created the first index fund about 50 years ago, the advice of simply put your money in, don't try to time the market, and divide between an allocation of stocks and bonds based on your risk tolerance has performed far better than anything else. This includes periods where the market has been very over-inflated. If you had the worst possible timing and put your money in around the absolute peak…

> The key, of course, is "on a long enough time frame". If you think there's a reasonable chance you might need the cash in two or five years, then you should either significantly reduce your exposure to equities like the S&P 500 or eliminate it entirely.

The shorter the timeframe that the money is needed, the higher the allocation to bonds. Vanguard has (in Canada) a bunch of 'all-in-one' ETFs that have as their holdings other ETFs in various asset groups: Canadian equity, US equity, international equity, bonds.

Shortly after they were announced, someone back-tested their returns to determine which of the offerings a person should get:

> I analyzed hypothetical Vanguard asset allocation ETF performance over the past 20 years ending June 2019, and here’s what I found:

> The worst 1- and 2-year periods were negative for all five ETFs.* [i.e., put it in term deposit to at least try to keep up with inflation]

> The worst 3-year period was negative for all ETFs except the Conservative Income ETF Portfolio (VCIP), which holds 80% in bonds; even still, VCIP only returned 1%.

> The worst 4-year period was negative for all ETFs except VCIP and the Conservative ETF Portfolio (VCNS) [60% bonds]. But these only returned 2.2% and 0.2% respectively.

> Looking further out:

> If you need the cash in 5–9 years, VCIP or VCNS should be the only Vanguard asset allocation ETFs on your radar. Even the Balanced ETF Portfolio (VBAL) [40% bonds], which allocates 60% to stocks, returned only 0.3% over its worst 9-year period.

> If you won’t need the cash for 10–14 years, VBAL could be an appropriate choice, as even its worst 10-year return during this period was around 2%.

> If you don’t need the cash for 15–19 years, you could look at a more aggressive ETF, like the Growth ETF Portfolio (VGRO). [20% bonds]

> If you’re investing for 20 years or more (and you are comfortable dialing up your portfolio risk to eleven), the All-Equity ETF Portfolio (VEQT) might be right up your alley. [0% bonds, 100% equities]

* https://www.canadianportfoliomanagerblog.com/choosing-your-i...

Note: if you're looking at long time-horizons (e.g., retirement in 20 years), and you can take higher risks, does not mean you have to: you need to first determine what your goal is (e.g., how big of a pot of money you need), and then work backwards from there to determine what kind of returns are needed to get there. If you need 'only' 3% returns, it probably is not necessary to take on extra risk to chase after 6%.

Re: Ask HN: I have $450K cash, what should I do to maximize my return?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Share your ideas then. Panamá gets stable revenue from Panama Canal plus some natural resources and operates in US dollars in eastern timezone. As a plan B it’s not exactly that bad.

Your advice only works if one speaks fluent Spanish and is well versed in and comfortable with the way societies work in Latin America. For anyone else it is a recipe for disaster (as in being taken advantage of many times over)

I don’t speak Spanish and I own condo in Panama and I renting it out and I live in USA.

So I’m walking my talk.

Re: Ask HN: I have $450K cash, what should I do to maximize my return?

#74

Don’t feel bad about doing nothing. At some point the world will be more financially rational. You shouldn’t have fear of missing out when things are so topsy turvy.

With investing you can always wait an year or two with the cash and think about it. However if you end up doing nothing with the money for 10 years, you will lose some serious purchasing power. I would just put first everything to an index fund, then from there on try to find more interesting investing opportunities.

“Far more money has been lost by investors preparing for corrections, or trying to anticipate corrections, than has been lost in corrections themselves.”

— Peter Lynch

Re: Ask HN: I have $450K cash, what should I do to maximize my return?

#75
Without knowing more about you - age, health, goals, risk tolerance, other obligations, etc - it's all just random suggestions from the internet.

My random suggestion here is diversify in to a few different equities areas. US, international, etc. I mostly have a few 'general market' funds, but a couple that are focused on tech companies, and they've outpaced the general market over the last several years.

Keep some in cash - ally and others have around 1% return on cash. not great, but it's something. keep maybe $80k or so in there.

put some in general 'broad market' index funds - total market or S&P or something - maybe $150k in that.

find some international funds - put $80k in that.

pick a precious metals fund - put $40k in that. Alternative, take some of that and put in to crypto if you've got an interest in that.

This would leave you with around $150k. Consider some more real estate - perhaps just land and let it appreciate, or a small house you can use as a rental, or more industrial. Or just hold that in cash for a bit longer while you wait and see what happens. You already have $200k in industrial real estate. If you're comfortable with that, and you're getting a return that from area, increase your exposure there.

Watch the investments - readjust portions to your comfort level - perhaps every 3-6 months - as things change. Keeping cash will give you some cushion if there's a downturn, either to weather a storm, or give you some ability to throw a bit more in to a specific market.

There's no rule that says you have to put it all in one index fund right now. You're in a fortunate position, and can afford to take this slowly, and spend time learning more about these various instruments before blindly throwing in hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Part of that learning can (and probably should) be meeting with a fee-only advisor who can review your situation in more detail and give you a more comprehensive set of recommendations more suited to those aspects we can't tell from your post (risk tolerance, life goals, etc).

Re: Ask HN: I have $450K cash, what should I do to maximize my return?

#76
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

With investing you can always wait an year or two with the cash and think about it. However if you end up doing nothing with the money for 10 years, you will lose some serious purchasing power. I would just put first everything to an index fund, then from there on try to find more interesting investing opportunities.

“Far more money has been lost by investors preparing for corrections, or trying to anticipate corrections, than has been lost in corrections themselves.” — Peter Lynch

That's the wrong comparison.

The right comparison is to what would have been lost in corrections but for the preparations.

I mean, if you have x losses in preparation to achieve y losses in actual corrections, when you would otherwise have z losses in corrections for z > x+y, that's a win.

Re: Ask HN: I have $450K cash, what should I do to maximize my return?

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Since you have $750K in assets, you could consider investing in a social enterprise or giving to charity. I support GiveDirectly because their model -- direct cash transfers -- is very efficient. Otherwise, as other people have said, it depends on your time frame and the amount of risk you are willing to take on. If you can wait 5+ years, a fund blending index tracking with some bonds (for stability) is an excellent…

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Re: Ask HN: I have $450K cash, what should I do to maximize my return?

#79
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With investing you can always wait an year or two with the cash and think about it. However if you end up doing nothing with the money for 10 years, you will lose some serious purchasing power. I would just put first everything to an index fund, then from there on try to find more interesting investing opportunities.

“Far more money has been lost by investors preparing for corrections, or trying to anticipate corrections, than has been lost in corrections themselves.” — Peter Lynch

Any evidence to back up the quote?
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