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Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by flywheel »

coliveira wrote: post #214
flywheel wrote: post #207

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> TRUMP is acting like a desperate ASSHOLE that has no idea what HE is doing. Fixed that for you. >It is evident to the whole world that the US doesn't want to compete at the level of high technology, which is what the Chinese have achieved in the last couple of years. China couldn't even figure out how to make ball point pens until 2017. They still can't produce jet engines that are worth much compared to several US…

> China couldn't even figure out how to make ball point pens until 2017. China changes very quickly! In 2020 they have 5G technology that blows competitors' pants off. They are sending missions to mars, have more electric cars than any other country, and just yesterday they released a home-grown competitor to GPS.

LOL... GPS.. the US has been doing GPS for 42 YEARS. China is WAAAAAY behind. Call me back when they can produce jet engines that even come close to matching anything the US produces.

5G tech? LOL. Whatever makes you think you are happy, I guess.

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Post by quicklime »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #250
rumanator wrote: post #228

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> (...) because TikTok itself is banned in China; Chinese users have to use Douyin Seems to me that it's not banned at all, they just release a region-specific version for a specific market.

It's banned in the relevant sense, that users of TikTok aren't getting any kind of network effect from the Chinese userbase.

According to this site, it’s actually banned in China: https://www.saporedicina.com/english/access-tiktok-china/

I’m guessing that the international tiktok hosts content that wouldn’t be allowed on China, and the CCP isn’t interested in having the workload of censoring the rest of the world’s content.

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Post by divbzero »

justinzollars wrote: post #227
khuey wrote: post #188

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Stonehenge is also between 4 and 5 thousand years old but it's not going to tell you anything about the mystical traditions of the people of the British Isles.

The difference between the West and China is that China has been able to maintain its civilization state and it has a continuous history. The West's history is discontinuous

> China has been able to maintain its civilization state and it has a continuous history

To check the validity of this statement while neutralizing my own bias, I watched the following video [1] which maps out China’s political borders year by year from 1600 BCE to 2017. Watching at 2x speed on mute took 4 minutes and was quite illuminating.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWqVzZnwnOk "The History of China : Every Year"

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Post by rumanator »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #250
rumanator wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (...) because TikTok itself is banned in China; Chinese users have to use Douyin Seems to me that it's not banned at all, they just release a region-specific version for a specific market.

It's banned in the relevant sense, that users of TikTok aren't getting any kind of network effect from the Chinese userbase.

Regionalizing a service is not the same as banning. It's not dependent on "the relevant sense", it's just plain outright wrong. By your measuring stick Netflix and Amazon Video and even YouTube would be banned because they split their service into separate markets, with some content not available somewhere else. At most you could argue censorship, but that's about it.

Heck, region-encoded DVDs weren't a form of ban, don't you agree?

Tiktok is the same exact service with region-specific restrictions, primarily motivated to comply with local jurisdictions. That's it.

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chillacy wrote: post #245
tchaffee wrote: post #86

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Because we live in a relatively free country where the government doesn't choose what software we buy or use.

This is sort of similar to tarrifs no? The government selectively (through lobbyists and deals) picks which types of things are taxed (sometimes to unprofitability). Other things are banned entirely. Not saying Kinder Eggs would be missed as much as Tik Tok, but this is historically something the government does.

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Post by pell »

justinzollars wrote: post #220
khuey wrote: post #204

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Do you really think that Europe and other parts of the world have not had wars?

China has been able to maintain its civilization state and it has a continuous history.

You commented this twice already as some sort of universal truth. But in fact the region known as modern-day China had one major conflict after another like they occurred in any other region in the globe. Also what does it mean to "maintain" civilization when at least 45 million people died under Mao due to famine, overwork and state violence? Is putting Uighurs in concentration camps "maintaining" civilization?

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Post by baddox »

chillacy wrote: post #184
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #106

Not even getting into the CCP ties, it's always struck me as unfair that Western social media companies are banned in China, while Chinese ones have been able to compete Worldwide. In a way this gives Chinese apps an immediate advantage (as some are indirectly calling out in this comment section). If you want to reach out to someone in China, you have to use a Chinese company's app. Since social media is mostly a win…

Reminds me of a Taleb article I read: Most Intolerant Wins https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...

There are people with much more “intolerant” (restrictive) diets than halal and kosher, and yet, those don’t “win.” This is an extremely simplistic explanation with, I suspect, very little predictive power.

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Post by divbzero »

divbzero wrote: post #254
justinzollars wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference between the West and China is that China has been able to maintain its civilization state and it has a continuous history. The West's history is discontinuous

> China has been able to maintain its civilization state and it has a continuous history To check the validity of this statement while neutralizing my own bias, I watched the following video [1] which maps out China’s political borders year by year from 1600 BCE to 2017. Watching at 2x speed on mute took 4 minutes and was quite illuminating. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWqVzZnwnOk "The History of China : Eve…

This one takes 10 minutes at 2x speed and provides a global perspective. [2]

[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Wu0Q7x5D0 "The History of the World: Every Year"

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Post by baddox »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #106

Not even getting into the CCP ties, it's always struck me as unfair that Western social media companies are banned in China, while Chinese ones have been able to compete Worldwide. In a way this gives Chinese apps an immediate advantage (as some are indirectly calling out in this comment section). If you want to reach out to someone in China, you have to use a Chinese company's app. Since social media is mostly a win…

> it's always struck me as unfair that Western social media companies are banned in China, while Chinese ones have been able to compete Worldwide.

It’s weird to point out this double standard but then apparently take the side of both countries banning foreign media companies.

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