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Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Hopefully this will raise awareness on PWAs. Hopefully using PWAs on mobile will be normalized by the 18-24 year olds. TikTok's PWA seems intentionally gimped (you can't even search) but I will bet it will suddenly start working once it disappears from the Western app stores. Is there anything TikTok does that the Web Platform + WASM cannot do? (besides spying)

I don’t think this will just be the app itself. It will be network traffic based.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Hopefully this will raise awareness on PWAs. Hopefully using PWAs on mobile will be normalized by the 18-24 year olds. TikTok's PWA seems intentionally gimped (you can't even search) but I will bet it will suddenly start working once it disappears from the Western app stores. Is there anything TikTok does that the Web Platform + WASM cannot do? (besides spying)

I'm not even sure POTUS can ban a site just by an executive order... unless I'm REALLY weak on US law...

but a PWA wouldn't stop this. Most of the mobile APIs aren't available on PWA and if the site is blocked via route it won't help

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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I’m torn. On one hand, we’ve seen how TikTok has been used by the CCP to extend the reach of its censorship, oppression, and surveillance. On the other hand, I’m not sure if the government should be deciding what software we’re allowed to have.

I think this is a good measure to even the playing field. Thousands of companies are blocked in China. So why not do the same?

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Shows how far the balance of power has shifted in the last 20 years back when the Chinese government was banning western products to prevent "spiritual pollution" and "western influence". Now we got the reverse and it's also for ideological reasons (at least at face value). Wonder if WeChat is next. That would be fairly effective in prevent overseas Chinese from communicating with the mainland and a lot of mom and po…

Ah...calling cards, purchased a lot 15 years ago, and I had to use them ASAP, or their value depreciated quickly.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Hopefully this will raise awareness on PWAs. Hopefully using PWAs on mobile will be normalized by the 18-24 year olds. TikTok's PWA seems intentionally gimped (you can't even search) but I will bet it will suddenly start working once it disappears from the Western app stores. Is there anything TikTok does that the Web Platform + WASM cannot do? (besides spying)

If the state can order tech companies to blacklist apps, the state can order tech companies to add certain sites to their "malicious browsing" filters or order ISPs to IP-block arbitrary hosts. The state simply has no legal authority under which it may ban apps. If the big tech companies roll over for this and say "yes, sir", they'll do anything. I'm a huge proponent of regulating big tech companies, but all regulati…

The state already blacklists certain programs. Pretty much anything that illegally contains copyrighted content or some other form of illegal numbers.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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I’m torn. On one hand, we’ve seen how TikTok has been used by the CCP to extend the reach of its censorship, oppression, and surveillance. On the other hand, I’m not sure if the government should be deciding what software we’re allowed to have.

I don't think it's being banned due to CCP censorship, it's more a fear the CCP may be using it to spy.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tiktok is not a US-based software company, they're a private company from China It doesn't really matter, because the app code is repackaged at the Google/Apple level. At that point, it is from US-company to US-consumer. There are no "import restrictions" or customs on code (speech) like there are on hardware.

What point are you trying to make here? That the US Government does not have the sovereign authority to determine what companies operate within its borders? Edit: Yeah, instead of downvoting this into oblivion, how about making an argument that the US Government doesn't have the authority to determine what companies operate within its borders.

> What point are you trying to make here? That the US Government does not have the sovereign authority to determine what companies operate within its borders?

My point is that the US president does not have the authority to tell a US company (Google/Apple) to "stop distributing this code (speech)," because that is the only way a ban like this could be implemented.

Well, there are other ways, but all of them involve legislation by congress and things like Great Firewalls that we don't really want to see happen here. At least, I don't. That is why that any travel down this path I see as an erosion of western democracy, and especially when that travel comes from the executive branch swerving way out of its lane.

If congress were convinced to make a Ban TikTok law, I would still object but it would not be because I think they lack authority, it would be on 1st Amendment grounds.

And to be clear, I despise the app and am a little sketched out by it. But I don't think either of those are good reasons to corrode our liberties.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Wasn't microsoft trying to acquire tiktok? Why not just let that happen rather than try to do something so extreme? I'm not partial to tiktok at all but this is way to much of a big government move than I feel comfortable with. Isn't this a violation of our first amendment rights?

First amendment rights don’t apply to foreign companies.

I see this as the same thing as banning Huawei.

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