I don't see how one can trust their Azure platform if Microsoft gets in bed with TikTok.
It completely deletes all their digital trust.
Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations
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Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations
#352Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Banning something unless they/it has provabley broken US laws, merely out of spite and retaliatory motives isn't something that is acceptable in a democracy like the US. Why? Stuff like this has happened all the time in plenty of democratic countries across the world. Not sure I see the issue (like my EU example). It’s just a state wielding economic power as opposed to a corporation.
EU requires data to be based in the EU. So a US equivalent would be to require data to be based in the US, not banning whatever tickles its fancy. Consistent rule of law allows economic actors to make proper planning and decisions. If the US wants to ban Chinese apps, it should pass a law saying that.
> So a US equivalent would be to require data to be based in the US
Right, isn’t that what a sale to Microsoft would essentially do?
The metaphor here doesn’t cover the fact that China has banned tons of American companies — should the US not respond in turn? I don’t know what the right response is tbh but I don’t think they should feel compelled to just shrug it off.
Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations
#353Hopefully it will be rebranded MikMok or ZuneZok. This seems like a dumb move, why would MS want to get tied up in the horrors of social media when they have such a profitable empire. They couldn’t possibly tie in MicMok to Office 365 and have anything good come from it.
"Microsoft (R) Passport Live TikTok.NET 2020 Datacenter Edition, part of the Windows Live Social Dynamics suite"
Whatever it takes to bring back Microsoft Bob.
Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations
#354Earlier quoted context omitted.
> China is an authoritarian state and all companies are subject to secret control by the state, essentially branches of the military. Jumping from authoritarian state, to "all companies are subject to secrete control by the state", that is already a quantum leap. If you believe what Soviet Union's state controlled economy collapsed, because it's impossible for state to control that much of details of the economy, the…
Companies in China have Party Committees, appointed by the government. These committees have oversight over how the company operates, and how the board is appointed. The Chinese government has a strong direct influence inside Chinese businesses, that isn't present in the rest of the world.
Please give me a link, I haven't heard of such organization recently...
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Note that CCP does ensure private firms provide support for employees who are also party member to organize relevant activity.
State-owned company obviously has party committee, and except great control on personnel, like kind of a board.
Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations
#355Throwaway for obvious reasons. I cannot understand what executive thinks this is a good idea or that it makes any sense in the broader organizational structure of Microsoft. It's been so nice to see five years or so of relatively GOOD acquisitions. LinkedIn made sense: it's allowed for a legitimate Salesforce compete, especially when paired with Dynamics. GitHub was incredibly smart and it aligns well with the resurg…
Microsoft has way too much money coupled with negative amounts of taste and innovative ideas. They're trying to buy their way into being popular and cool. Microsoft TikTok 10 For Enterprise, Long Term Servicing Channel (Not Responding) absolutely will be a flop just like Teams, Mixer, the new Github UI, and Windows. They produce trash products and are a burden on the world.
Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations
#356Not a single person seem to think that it is odd that we can simply order a foreign company to sell their business to an American company.
Well, probably because that's not what is happening. The US has the right to ban companies from the country (as do other countries). What the US is saying is that the parent company (Bytedance) bust divest Tik Tok or they'll lose access to the US market. Microsoft is interested in it, but it could be a different company buying it. This is different than "you must sell this company to this other company" because the U…
> it'll just get banned from operating in the United States
Worse, it cold be put into entity list, permanently removed from app store and play store.
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#357Now I see why trump announced he’s banning TikTok this weekend - he’s going for an ultimatum... let Microsoft buy you out, or we’ll ban you. China doesn’t usually give in to US bullying, so I can’t see TikTok budging on this
Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations
#358Throwaway for obvious reasons. I cannot understand what executive thinks this is a good idea or that it makes any sense in the broader organizational structure of Microsoft. It's been so nice to see five years or so of relatively GOOD acquisitions. LinkedIn made sense: it's allowed for a legitimate Salesforce compete, especially when paired with Dynamics. GitHub was incredibly smart and it aligns well with the resurg…
What are the obvious reasons for a throwaway? I'm genuinely curious.
Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations
#359Earlier quoted context omitted.
You obviously don't have much experience with China. China is an authoritarian state and all companies are subject to secret control by the state, essentially branches of the military. There is no legal recourse or protection from such intervention. The government can mandate spy code be inserted and any data they want. You're well intended here, but ignorant of how China operates. There is literally no way to enforc…
> China is an authoritarian state and all companies are subject to secret control by the state, essentially branches of the military. Jumping from authoritarian state, to "all companies are subject to secrete control by the state", that is already a quantum leap. If you believe what Soviet Union's state controlled economy collapsed, because it's impossible for state to control that much of details of the economy, the…
> If you believe what Soviet Union's state controlled economy collapsed, because it's impossible for state to control that much of details of the economy, then you must be having a great faith in Mr. Xijinping being a literal Super human, who can control "all companies".
China has discarded many of the Communist philosophies which held the USSR back. It is somewhat difficult to organize an economy when you intend to abolish money. And even harder when you refuse to optimize for profit! The PLA is under no such restrictions.
> And Chinese military is so brilliant that they not even developed a powerful military force second only to US & Russian, and meanwhile, they actually runs "all companies"?!
Then you haven't been paying attention, because yes, the People's Liberation Army owns and runs many businesses, with active duty officers serving as executives. State-owned enterprise is basically the only part of the whole Communism thing left.
I don't think anyone said Xi Jingping was a puppet other than you, but he remains president in part because the military supports the idea. Selling off their toys and firing officers from their side gigs risks losing that support.
Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations
#360Earlier quoted context omitted.
EU requires data to be based in the EU. So a US equivalent would be to require data to be based in the US, not banning whatever tickles its fancy. Consistent rule of law allows economic actors to make proper planning and decisions. If the US wants to ban Chinese apps, it should pass a law saying that.
> So a US equivalent would be to require data to be based in the US Right, isn’t that what a sale to Microsoft would essentially do? The metaphor here doesn’t cover the fact that China has banned tons of American companies — should the US not respond in turn? I don’t know what the right response is tbh but I don’t think they should feel compelled to just shrug it off.
Even sale to Microsoft would looks legally dubious I think, if federal government is seen to be involved in brokering such a deal or ordering Microsoft to do it. I don't think the federal government or at least the executive should have that kind of authority like asking/forcing Microsoft to do a specific thing.
I don't know about China, but US executive and legislative have limits to their authority and I doubt such arbitrary bans are within that.
US seems least bothered about US apps/companies not being allowed in China and other countries, and retaliation for such does not seems the motive for US actions in this topic.
Anyways such straight reciprocal actions are often the naivest, and most simplistic of possible responses anyway.