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The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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It actually isn’t. When you have a choice between paying a premium and paying half as much like 85% of the world. It isn’t a monopoly.

The duopoly controls distribution. That's the classic definition of a cartel. Google and Apple are a cartel. They made the world worse than it was for software distribution. It used to be open in the 90's and 00's.

The definition of cartel requires collusion. This is reason 101 that HN posters make horrible lawyers.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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Well, you chose to own an iPhone knowing it didn’t meet your requirements. Do you need the government to protect you from your own decisions?

Given that (a) no smartphone exists that is a perfect fit for my ideal requirements and (b) having some smartphone is now almost essential to function normally within society I would say yes, I absolutely do want the government to intervene. Market competition is obviously not doing the job, and none of us individually is strong enough to force the issue with the suppliers. That is exactly the situation where regulat…

> I absolutely do want the government to intervene

Well I don't know what to say apart from this is incredibly selfish.

You can't find a product suited to your particular esoteric requirements so you want the government to force someone else to perform labour to build the product you want.

Can you see how wacky that sounds when you write it out like that?

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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Can you name one category of app that Apple sells where there aren’t competitors on the App Store?

Literally being debated right now. https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/29/apple-ceo-tim-cook-questio...

You mean Apple removing apps that literally let a third party control your phone and spy on everything you do?

Were you also against Apple disabling enterprise certificates when Google and Facebook were using it to spy on users - not just their own employees?

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4285862

Words Mean Things. That lawsuit didn’t initiate under Cook.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/12/apple-seeking-to-...

https://www.thestreet.com/investing/california-judge-may-dis...

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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Well, you chose to own an iPhone knowing it didn’t meet your requirements. Do you need the government to protect you from your own decisions?

Given that (a) no smartphone exists that is a perfect fit for my ideal requirements and (b) having some smartphone is now almost essential to function normally within society I would say yes, I absolutely do want the government to intervene. Market competition is obviously not doing the job, and none of us individually is strong enough to force the issue with the suppliers. That is exactly the situation where regulat…

Sure let the same idiots who put on the dog and pony show with tech CEOs design the SilhouettePhone just for you....

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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Can I advertise in Walmart that they can buy the sane item cheaper from my own website?

Is Walmart the only store you're allowed to shop at?

Neither is the iPhone the only phone you are allowed to buy.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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Literally being debated right now. https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/29/apple-ceo-tim-cook-questio...

You mean Apple removing apps that literally let a third party control your phone and spy on everything you do? Were you also against Apple disabling enterprise certificates when Google and Facebook were using it to spy on users - not just their own employees?

You mean the apps that Apple was fine hosting on their platform and taking their 30% cut from up until Apple decided to create a first party app that can control your phone and spy on everything you do?

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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Spotify never implemented those APIs. There were other apps e.g. Podcast ones that used it.

They did, Apple just rejected their app... https://www.timetoplayfair.com/timeline/

No. They wanted to "work with Apple" on developing proposals that favoured their specific app.

And then kicked up a fuss when Apple said no.

When actual APIs were released Spotify never bothered to implement them for quite some time.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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I'm aware that I can avoid installing a second store and not run any software that comes from it. The issue I'm pointing out is that software that's currently available through the App Store could move exclusively to alternatives if given the option. Like that time when Epic Games said "We don't want to use the Google Play Store, so if you want to play Fortnite you have to install it from the Fortnite Installer". And…

But then, simply don't run that software. Vote with your wallet. Use a competitor that remains on the App Store. Why deprive others of the choice, in favor of a single entity in charge- a single point of failure? I thought it was a truism in tech that monocultures are a bad thing?

I'm voting with my wallet to have an iPhone where there's no Fortnite Installer instead of Android where there is.

Believe it or not I had an Android phone before and decided I like Apple's system better.

If it were my only computing device and I needed to run a bittorrent client I acknowledge it would be a problem, but like I said elsewhere in the comments, it's a trade-off.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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the convenience of not having 8 different game updater/launcher clients Obligatory glance over at Steam goes here. Apple’s App Store policies also limit 3rd party software’s ability to fuck up my devices in a myriad of ways. It would be a much safer solution if Apple's operating system limited 3rd party software's ability to do things it shouldn't. Trying to filter malware at the app store level might improve your od…

> Obligatory glance over at Steam goes here. • Steam (Valve) • Uplay (Ubisoft) • Origin (EA) • Epic (Epic) • Galaxy (CDProjekt) • LoL Launcher (Riot) • Battle.net (Blizzard) • Twitch (Amazon) • Minecraft Launcher (Mojang) Probably others I'm missing. Can't wait to have a whole home screen dedicated to different app stores because each one has a single exclusive game that I wanted to play

So why not build a standard mechanism to install and update 3rd party software into the OS? It's hardly a radical idea. There are plenty of solutions to that problem that don't involve monopolising the distribution of all software on the platform.
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