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Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations

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Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

mullingitover wrote: post #203
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #99

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The CEO and cofounder has gone on record ( https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/12/05/tiktok-... , linking to a parent source https://chinamediaproject.org/2018/04/11/tech-shame-in-the-n... ) pledging that he'd run the company in accordance with socialist values and the principles of Xi Jinping Thought. The degree of financial relationship is unknown and probably unknowable, but it seems clear that ByteDanc…

Even if TikTok was openly promoting socialism - so what? The constitution doesn't split hairs about free speech. We're free to use speech to promote the political philosophy of our choosing in this country. The antidote to 'bad' speech, as per the constitution, is more speech, not to outlaw the speech you don't like.

There's nothing wrong with speech we don't like, unless (as in this case) it's made at the direction of a foreign government. There's long-standing precedent for preventing that kind of thing.

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Post by haecceity »

nujabe wrote: post #270
fqye wrote: post #266

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So what? If CCP isn't allowed to be defended here, isn't this place exactly what CCP is?

It is against the rules to have an account, such as yours, whose only purpose is to defend the CCP.

He has such an account because he wants to remain anonymous because views such as his are such that people like you would censor and ostracize him. Such is the hypocrisy of one who cries for freedom and free speech.

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Post by throwaway78359 »

brown9-2 wrote: post #256
throwaway78359 wrote: post #236

Throwaway for obvious reasons. I cannot understand what executive thinks this is a good idea or that it makes any sense in the broader organizational structure of Microsoft. It's been so nice to see five years or so of relatively GOOD acquisitions. LinkedIn made sense: it's allowed for a legitimate Salesforce compete, especially when paired with Dynamics. GitHub was incredibly smart and it aligns well with the resurg…

How does LinkedIn compete with Salesforce?

LinkedIn’s Sales Navigator when paired with Dynamics 365 is a very viable competitor to Salesforce in the ERP/CRM space.

Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations

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Post by eunos »

devenblake wrote: post #98
grezql wrote: post #57

Not sure if this is good. There is now a new trending app that is eating up TikTok users, its called Triller. Same concept but US made I think. What happens if MSFT buy TikTok only for the users to migrate to the new flavour of the social media app.

I use TikTok a lot (there are >1M combined views on my videos) and I've never heard of it. A lot of good TikTokers from before the app really took off went to Byte (made by the dudes that made Vine) and it seems like Byte is the logical successor. I expect most users will migrate eventually. TikTok had its charms because it was completely mismanaged. The discover feed had a mix between popular (>1M likes) and very un…

I think as long as the product management still retains Bytedance's DNA (and Douyin), it has a good prospect to survive and thrive. That's why I really hope that somehow they can have or keep in contact with Douyin product management folks.

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Post by rubber_duck »

cheez wrote: post #119
rmorey wrote: post #101

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I agree that they botched Skype, but I think some of their more recent acquisitions - namely: Mojang, Xamarin, GitHub - have gone pretty well, IMO

I believe the trend here is they left them alone...

Github is actively merging features of Azure DevOps and they plan to merge the two eventually, also business model changes, integration with VS Code, Azure, etc.

Github is actively within Microsoft ecosystem and all for the better of both sides from my experience.

Xamarin was crap before the Microsoft acquisition, it was improving at great pace afterwards and it's pretty integrated into .NET standard story (but still crap last time I used it 3 years ago) - I don't even see how you could say anything like they left them alone, feels more like they got rolled up in to .NET devision, again for the better of both (Mono was still the only solution for some scenarios until very recently even outside of mobile)

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Post by asveikau »

nujabe wrote: post #265
fqye wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bing is accessible from China. FB and Twitter must comply with censorship rules and storage of user data in China, among other things, to operate in China. Google was operating and accessible in China until China made clear the rules for them to follow. Google decided it couldn't follow they they pulled out the search engine business from China. China didn't force Google to sell. Censorship is bad but that is another…

Dang, every one of this user's posts is defending the CCP. I think you've mentioned something about 'single purpose accounts' not being allowed. I kindly ask you take a look at this. As for your comment fqye, it is not even worthy of a response.

That rule seems a little strange. What if it happens to be, legitimately, only a single purpose that interests you? For example if you only commented about your favorite framework...

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Post by lambdasquirrel »

thephyber wrote: post #215
setr wrote: post #181

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I think its more of the rebranding from US-gov spying to Chinese-gov spying

Agree. I'm curious if it becoming a US-owned app means it would struggle in China.

I'm not sure it would, unless the app development were to be significantly different. People sometimes underestimate the cultural differences.

The example I like to give is the one given by John Hooker, who taught comparative culture at CMU. As it is, U.S. jokes are often not funny to many continental Europeans. Chinese humor is of a whole other bent.

Another interesting comparison point are Japanese websites, which are borderline unnavigable (to me) because they avoid any use of larger fonts.

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

slipheen wrote: post #64

I think it's a clever play. It would help address the spyware concern by moving it to a US company, and give them a better foothold in Social Networking than Linked-in provides. I'd have a few concerns about if MS can keep it growing- For one, I worry that Microsoft may mismanage it, similar to how they treated Skype. We saw Yahoo buy many reasonable smaller social networks (Flickr, Delicious, Tumblr) and was never a…

Difference is yahoo had arguably one of the worst CEOs ever: Marissa Mayer where as Microsoft has a wizard: Satya Nadella.

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Post by jimbob45 »

fqye wrote: post #258

If the US forced ByteDance to sell Tiktok, the US would lose its last bit of moral high ground in China, the spirit of free market and rule by law. If you are worried about data leakage to China, you set rules and law and enforce them. That is what China is doing. They asked Apple and other cloud service provider to store data in China. The US could setup clear rules and regulations about where to put data of US user…

I vehemently disagree. The duplicitous play would be to create a competitor and cheat by throttling TT, spreading falsehoods about TT, and banning TT to get Americans to use it instead of TT. Paying China fair market price for their company is the cleanest play there is.
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