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Spotify CEO: musicians can no longer release music only “once every 3-4 years”

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Re: Spotify CEO: musicians can no longer release music only “once every 3-4 years”

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This might approach 10^6 if you consider the largest band tours going around the world and filling stadiums with 50 000 people.

Don’t you mean 5 x 10^5 ? ;)

They just need to fill 10 stadiums and it's done. The Rolling Stones did this in Buenos Aires, for example.

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I went back and read the original interview and I still don't know what he was actually trying to say. He stressed that artists need continuous engagement with their community and the old business model didn't work anymore. But I really can't tell if he was trying to say staggered, small releases, and do away with the big promos for albums, or if he really was saying "stop being lazy and churn out more product." He c…

Ah yes: the fader, a smaller music publication, is just an example of why we should disregard media as a whole. /s

I don’t think the article is that sensational, I just think that you might have a predisposed belief that news media is always (or at least most of the time) sensationalized.

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I wish more people, especially tech CEOs, could understand the incredible sacrifice of time, money, and energy it takes to make an album people actually enjoy. Everything you listen to, unless you are willing to listen to raw demos, is a miracle. I've worked both as a sound engineer and and a software developer. It's orders of magnitude easier to make working software than it is to make a hit record. The way tech com…

> The way tech companies have abused musicians to get rich is one of the most shameful things to ever happen.

Compared to what, the records major companies? I clearly remember artists were complaining about those, too. So which one is it?

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It probably took me about 10 years to get good at programming. Sure, I could create programs pretty quickly---but making something like [1] is another matter altogether. [1]: http://regent-lang.org/

But I'm guessing you were paid for programming during those 10 years.

You think most developers learn programming from scratch at a job?

Re: Spotify CEO: musicians can no longer release music only “once every 3-4 years”

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Artists/creators should be able to determine what they want to charge for streamed songs.

They do. It's their freedom to be on Spotify. They can go back to the olden model of no streaming as well.

No it's not their freedom to be on Spotify. That's not how the music business works. The record labels own the master recordings. Spotify negotiates rights to stream the records labels catalog with the labels. The artists have no say. The exception to this are artists who have negotiated to retain ownership of their master(very rare) or they have acquired their masters back through a contractual clause called a reversion(also rare.) Taylor Swift, Prince and Metalica are examples of people who own their master recording and can dictate whether streaming services can license their catalogs and at what cost.

Re: Spotify CEO: musicians can no longer release music only “once every 3-4 years”

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I went back and read the original interview and I still don't know what he was actually trying to say. He stressed that artists need continuous engagement with their community and the old business model didn't work anymore. But I really can't tell if he was trying to say staggered, small releases, and do away with the big promos for albums, or if he really was saying "stop being lazy and churn out more product." He c…

Ah yes: the fader, a smaller music publication, is just an example of why we should disregard media as a whole. /s I don’t think the article is that sensational, I just think that you might have a predisposed belief that news media is always (or at least most of the time) sensationalized.

My point was of course they're going to go with one interpretation. I myself can't figure out what the hell he actually meant to say.

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I absolutely agree, and that's what I think the CEO is referring to. Slowly dropping 6-12 singles over a two year period is more sensible nowadays than taking two years to write, record, and release an album or EP. In fact, leaving out the few niche bands that release albums as a cohesive whole, the concept of an album seems terribly anachronistic in this new world of streaming. It's now the era of the single song, w…

How much of that falls to user experience though? We're not constrained by physical media, but aren't we by Spotify design? I almost exclusively browse my library by album, but Spotify generally pushes me towards tracks. The release radar, for example, offers no way to filter to full album releases. I hope artists aren't pressured into releasing tracks one off purely due to design decisions vs artistic choice. Softwa…

I blame this on iTunes, not Spotify, when I first got into music because I didn’t want to spend all my cash on an entire album for just one or two tracks I really liked. Up until the last 5 or so years I rarely took the time to listen to a album of a song I heard on the radio or in a mix.

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This is controversial for some reason, but I don’t think there’s ever been a significant demand or market for music production. The entire notion that musicians get paid to make music is a false premise. There was a market for records, not for music. What people were actually paying for was the technology to play music, and the distribution of music. When that became digitized, no significant market formed around mus…

This isn't "controversial", it's just a kneejerk contrarian position from an armchair expert. It's actually hard to understate the demand for music production. You walk through any major retail store, they're playing music that is generally designed (and proven) to make you purchase more. Advertising, movies, basically any form of audio-visual entertainment would be devoid of life without music. And people demand nov…

People prefer novelty. They don't demand it.

Re: Spotify CEO: musicians can no longer release music only “once every 3-4 years”

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> It's orders of magnitude easier to make working software than it is to make a hit record. That's apples-to-oranges. Obviously a "hit" anything is hard in any field, by definition. A hit app is just as hard (even harder, probably, since there are a lot less hit apps than hit songs). But producing a single track? Seriously, it's not that hard. Yes, it takes a team of people and a lot of creativity and skill, but I do…

RIP cohesive bodies of work or concept albums in your new publish-or-perish hellworld

Wasn't that also the doom scenario that was forecast when iTunes launched?

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Obviously the guy knows nothing about creativity and art. He's not telling bands how to be successful artistically, he's telling them how to be successful financially in the modern music world. If the band is only interested in promoting their art, they can do anything they want. If they want to earn a living too, they need to provide the market what it wants.

You think Spotify cares about artists being financially successful?

Not in general, but they do have incentive to help them to become more successful on their own platform.
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