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Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations

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Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations

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Not a single person seem to think that it is odd that we can simply order a foreign company to sell their business to an American company.

business as usual. US bullying others for economic gain. sometimes with war, sometimes with sanctions. for now they threaten to ban tiktok in the US but I'm sure it wouldn't stop at that. same as with huawei. they will go door to door to bully other countries to ban tiktok as well.

Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations

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I find the closure of Mixer incredibly short sighted IF they end up buying TikTok. They easily could have rebranded/merged Mixer as TiKTok Live and moved their exclusive contracts over to the TikTok brand.

From the outside looking in, it seems like Mixer had other factors that contributed to the decision to close up shop[1]. It seems like Phil Spencer had a meeting with the affected ex-employee but nothing came out of it[2]. Adding on to that, a leaked town hall video really painted a grim image of the company and the management internally.[3] [1] https://twitter.com/MilanKLee/status/1274830702538821632 [2] https://twi…

TikTok Live is already a feature.

Having live streaming built into the xbox platform + tiktok as a brand and audience would be a much more power combo than just mixer alone.

Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations

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America is a fundamentally revolutionary nation fighting for global democracy. We have learned not to force it on countries anymore with violence, but the struggle for global democracy remains nonetheless. We are an existential threat to China.

> America is a fundamentally revolutionary nation fighting for global democracy. I've studied the history of the US enough to know that this is brazen propaganda with no firm basis in reality. The US has no problem propping up brutal tyrants when it's convenient.

There are far more Democracies supported by the US in numerous ways in the post WWII period than totalitarians supported. This is fact.

Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations

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Not a single person seem to think that it is odd that we can simply order a foreign company to sell their business to an American company.

OFAC is a result of political and economic realism. Not many people will do business in Venezuela, Iran and North Korea because (among other good reasons) the governments of these countries have shown a propensity of nationalize foreign firms.

Foreign companies are free to not do business with the United States if they feel their company is likely to be expropriated. In practice 300m of the world's richest consumers make the US irresistible. Thus, OFAC is tolerated.

Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations

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Throwaway for obvious reasons. I cannot understand what executive thinks this is a good idea or that it makes any sense in the broader organizational structure of Microsoft.

It's been so nice to see five years or so of relatively GOOD acquisitions. LinkedIn made sense: it's allowed for a legitimate Salesforce compete, especially when paired with Dynamics. GitHub was incredibly smart and it aligns well with the resurgent dev tools division and the cloud. Even Beam (Mixer), which was an utter failure from an execution standpoint, made sense as a vertical integration play with Xbox. It failed, but the idea behind it was solid. The OpenAI investment and other AI initiatives have all made tons of sense. Buying Xamarin was brilliant.

But this? What about Microsoft has any of the same DNA as TikTok?

Insanity. I really, really hope this is just a bad joke and us being used by TikTok to juice offers from other people.

Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations

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Throwaway for obvious reasons. I cannot understand what executive thinks this is a good idea or that it makes any sense in the broader organizational structure of Microsoft. It's been so nice to see five years or so of relatively GOOD acquisitions. LinkedIn made sense: it's allowed for a legitimate Salesforce compete, especially when paired with Dynamics. GitHub was incredibly smart and it aligns well with the resurg…

I actually think it’s a good play, the same way buying Minecraft was a good idea.

You’re talking about a company that made Halo and Minecraft the face of its consumer gaming brand, calls their AI assistant “Cortana”, and their internal windows builds “redstone”.

Tiktok doesn’t make sense if you think of Microsoft as “not a social media company”, but it’s a part of a push to engage the GenZ audience that started with the Minecraft acquisition.

I’m old enough to remember reading jokes on slashdot on wintel, but for the younger GenZ audience, that’s not what Microsoft is known for. The brand value isn’t in the enterprise stuff HN looks at, but in their consumer facing side.

Does microsoft execute well on their consumer side? Results seems mixed, with Xbox doing ok and Mixer crashing and burning. We’ll see how this plays out.

Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations

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I find the closure of Mixer incredibly short sighted IF they end up buying TikTok. They easily could have rebranded/merged Mixer as TiKTok Live and moved their exclusive contracts over to the TikTok brand.

From the outside looking in, it seems like Mixer had other factors that contributed to the decision to close up shop[1]. It seems like Phil Spencer had a meeting with the affected ex-employee but nothing came out of it[2]. Adding on to that, a leaked town hall video really painted a grim image of the company and the management internally.[3] [1] https://twitter.com/MilanKLee/status/1274830702538821632 [2] https://twi…

Is this the manager seen on the video[3] who was accused of racist behavior? I wonder if they still work at Microsoft, I also wonder who put these people in charge.

I don't believe Mixer was shut down because of bad management though, if the people in charge weren't getting results, then Microsoft would have just replace them.

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>I guess anything makes sense to a company that paid $26 billion USD for LinkedIn. Is there data to support that this was overvalued? Not personally a big fan of LinkedIn, but it seemed like probably a good long-term buy for Microsoft.

I don't know, tbh. But to my understanding, it was not profitable before the acquisition. It does generate ~5 billion dollars in revenue now, but Microsoft won't tell you how much of that is profit. Even if I charitably apportion 1B profit (which I bet Microsoft would trumpet if that was a thing), that's 20+ years to make the 26B back. My bigger problem with LinkedIn is that it's a cesspool of recruiter spam. Lynda.c…

Lynda.com was rebranded as "LinkedIn Learning" and is still around. My employer has access for all employees and I've taken a few good courses on there.
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