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Glucosamine Supplementation Reduces All-Cause Mortality: Study

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As someone that has taken various vitamins and supplements over the years, glucosamine is the one where I truly feel a difference. In my knees, my back stopped cracking when I woke up, and generally just better. Others I take based on blood tests if something is out of whack for a time.

Can I ask your age (or which decade if you prefer!)?

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I've been supplementing glucosamine along with a large amount of other things for awhile now. I'm not too bullish on it in humans, but it doesn't seem like it hurts, and is definitely cheap: https://nearcyan.com/supplements My latest favorites that I'm a bit more hopeful for are glycine, spermadine, and rapamycin.

How are you getting rapamycin? I'm interested in it's benefits for autoimmune diseases but it seems quite expensive (in the US).

Some doctors will prescribe it for off-label use, but this is pretty rare. It's possible to purchase it from overseas websites as it is not scheduled, but this is technically not legal, and it will still cost quite a bit out-of-pocket. With that said, it can definitely be potentially dangerous, and dosing+frequency would have to carefully be paid attention to, as well as monitoring results via blood tests imo, and having done extensive research and so on. I wouldn't suggest anyone just purchases it to experiment with it without being very careful and having a high appetite for risk. But other things like glycine or spermadine or vitamin D or magnesium I'm much happier to gleefully suggest to people.

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Yes - cartilage. If you eat chicken or something like that, eat the cartilage. You can do this on pre-cooked chickens you get from Sam's Club / Costco. If you eat chicken breasts only (which a lot of health-conscious people do), you don't get this benefit. I talked to Dr.Yang Jwing Ming (one of the few Kung Fu practioners with a Western phd and he said eating cartilage is one of the best ways to help reduce the risk…

Would chicken bone broth have it?

No, it's a myth:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/02/10/384948585/ta...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5533136/

https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/11/truth-about-...

Re: Glucosamine Supplementation Reduces All-Cause Mortality: Study

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Like others, I give my dogs glucosamine and it seems to have clear health benefits, but I have tried numerous dosages for myself and when I consume any meaningful amount it gives me absolutely wretched headaches about a day or two after consumption. Something to be aware if you start taking glucosamine and get headaches, it’s probably the glucosamine.

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If you are interested in digging into this stuff, and what really works medically/scientifically based on reviewed evidence and sources such as Cochrane Reviews, I can't recommend Dr Stanfields youtube channel high enough: https://www.youtube.com/c/DrBradStanfield/videos

Also here is his video on Sulforaphane which Glucosamine activates. He goes into detail as to how this mechanism works. Because of his video/latest research presented I changed to taking Broccomax because you need Myrosinase to actvite the SGS for it's full effect, he goes into detail on this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAb1eQbRAe0

Cochrane Review he uses as his primary source: https://www.cochrane.org/CD007176/LIVER_antioxidant-suppleme...

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Yes - cartilage. If you eat chicken or something like that, eat the cartilage. You can do this on pre-cooked chickens you get from Sam's Club / Costco. If you eat chicken breasts only (which a lot of health-conscious people do), you don't get this benefit. I talked to Dr.Yang Jwing Ming (one of the few Kung Fu practioners with a Western phd and he said eating cartilage is one of the best ways to help reduce the risk…

I really hope at some point in our lifetimes, the deleterious effects of animal protein are pervasively understood by educated Americans to the point where consuming animal parts for their anti-inflammatory benefits would be an oxymoron on par with smoking to prevent cancer. An overwhelming body of scientific evidence suggests that humans are omnivores and not carnivores and the human body evolved to process animal p…

1. Glucosamine is not a protein. 2. The claimed benefit of glucosamine is not anti-inflammation, but providing the building blocks for cartilage repair as synovial fluid is circulated in the joint. 3. It's very difficult to get sufficient protein from a plant based diet, especially when avoiding soy, which raises estrogen.

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I've given glucosamine to my dogs for years, and I can clearly notice a difference in their joint health and how stiff and sore they are after long runs ('long-run': 15-25 miles, measured on GPS collars). When I run out of glucosamine, or just drop off of giving it to them for whatever reason, I see them fall back pretty quickly. And when I restart them on it, I notice a response in a few days. I also give give them…

Purely anecdotal data but a I know a good number of dogs and cats that had really good results supplementing with glucosamine. As for me personally and few other friends and family, glucosamine supplements didn't have much of a noticeable effect.

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Westerners have eaten pig ears for centuries.

I would be surprised if I've met anyone in the US who has eaten pig ear nor the chicken feet you see next to them in the hispanic market. And just about everyone would react to the ick factor. I don't think it's as common as you think: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig%27s_ear_(food) .

I don't really know of anyone who eats pig ears but chicken feet aren't that weird for the American South.

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Individually. Sometimes a few things are combined when a good option is available, but generally multivitamins don't give me what I want in the doses that I want. Since I tested all of my blood metrics beforehand, it's unlikely the market would have a 'perfect' vitamin for me. Especially since most of what I like to take isn't technically a vitamin. My diet is currently pretty un-optimized, so although I would prefer…

Id be curious what it would look like if you tested your blood now, stopped taking them all, and radically modified your died, what kind of results you would get in a couple weeks. Daily intake of, tomato juice, kefir, sardines, salmon, spinach, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, pistachio, eggs. You could probably get a whole days worth of food into a snack, a salad, and a soup.

I wish it was easier to do intensive tracking of everything like that, but it's definitely a lot of work. Some supplements I have very clear before+after results, with the only probable cause being the supplement (e.g. vitamin D or magnesium), but a lot of others are hard to test, control for, find biomarkers for, etc.

I do know there are a few people in the area that log literally every substance they eat in terms of grams, and then correlate it with all of their blood metrics, and use that to try to optimize each blood metric for what correlates with the lowest mortality rate. It's interesting, but this stuff is unfortunately a lot of work for average people to attempt. Here's a great example: https://twitter.com/Nearcyan/status/1282042301980835842

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there's no reason to believe macromolecules like glucosamine benefit the body any more than regular, nutritious food. ingested nutrition generally gets broken down into amino acids and the like in the digestive system before it gets distributed to the rest of the body to be reconsistuted into cells and tissue. cartilage in particular is scaffolding and generally must be constructed by other cells from very basic mole…

You raise a good point, but wouldnt taking glucosamine and chondroitin load you up (hopefully) on the base components required to then again make glucosamine and chondroitin locally in one's body?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucosamine#Bioavailability:

“In the first study, glucosamine sulfate was given to healthy volunteers in doses of 750, 1500, or 3000 mg once daily. In the second study, oral glucosamine sulfate capsules (1500 mg) were given daily for two weeks to 12 people with osteoarthritis. Glucosamine concentrations in plasma and synovial fluid increased significantly from baseline levels […] but the levels are still ten- to a hundredfold lower than required to positively affect the cartilage (chondrocytes) to build new tissue”

⇒ the good news is that these molecules make it through the intestines intact, and arrive at the place where they are supposed to help. The bad news seems to be you would need to take huge doses.

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