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The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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This is like complaining that it's unfair that only McDonald's are allowed to sell inside a McDonald's.

How is a Mcdonalds restaurant (which McDonalds owns) in any way equivalent to my iPhone (which I supposedly own).

Well, you chose to own an iPhone knowing it didn’t meet your requirements. Do you need the government to protect you from your own decisions?

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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As a consumer, I am 100% in favor of the way run the app store. I don't want to give random apps my credit card. I don't want to have 18 accounts to keep track of. I don't want to have to call telephone support to cancel my account. I don't want malware in my apps. I don't want apps to have my email if they don't need it. I don't need another middleman for content companies license and distribute. Everything Apple is…

> I am 100% in favor of the way run the app store You want Apple to prohibit the apps you use from being allowed to tell you about alternative payment options?

Yes, because I want to be continue to recommend Apple products to friends and family who would definitely be scammed by fake payment mechanisms if Apple wasn’t preventing it.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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You can choose, go and choose one of the other 70% of the phones on the market.

This. Go choose a better job if you are poor. There are many.

That’s very unfair. I believe in capitalism, yes, because I believe in individual freedom and personal property rights. That really all capitalism is. But I also believe in a caring society, as citizens were all in this together. Citizenship comes with obligations as well as rights and we should look after our own.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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The problem isn't how they run their store -- the problem is that they are the only store.

This is like complaining that it's unfair that only McDonald's are allowed to sell inside a McDonald's.

There are thousands of different restaurants to choose from.

There are only two pocket computers. And they're both beating people up over protection money.

Moreover, computing used to be free like water. These companies locked it down so you have to go through them.

Imagine if you had to pay McDonald's to open your own restaurant.

Imagine if every restaurant in the US had to do so.

Imagine if McDonald's gathered data about your customers.

Imagine if McDonald's saw what worked about your restaurant, copied it, and then hid yours from consumers.

It's not okay. This is one of the worst abuses of the American consumer and small businesses in history.

Edit: I think we're all being downvoted by corporate brigading. Every one of my posts is being downvoted. I made a compelling and respectful argument, and note the lack of rebuttals.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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It's their product and they can do whatever they want with it. If anyone doesn't like that, they can easily not purchase iDevices. Apple doesn't force people to buy their products.

It's my phone, and I can do whatever I want with it. If Apple doesn't like that, they can easily maintain ownership by not selling the device. I don't force Apple to sell iPhones instead of leaving them in a warehouse. Once I've bought it, it is mine. The entire idea that Apple can do whatever they want on a device that they have already sold is ludicrous.

None forced you to buy iDevice.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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> We deserve to be able to choose People at Apple choose not to spend their time, money, and energy on supporting third-party app stores. You can choose to do whatever you want. But you can't force people at Apple to choose to do something.

>Apple choose not to spend their time, money, and energy on supporting third-party app stores. Apple doesn't need to support third party app stores. Apple actively hinders them.

They'd have to write extra code compared to what they have now to do this, and then they've had to support that code. They don't want to. Why on earth should they want to spend time writing code to run other people's businesses that they aren't involved in.

Do you require that McDonald's will sell you a Pepsi, when McDonald's want to sell you Coca-Cola? Do you demand that you should be allowed to set up a Pepsi store inside a McDonalds?

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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I'm curious, if you didn't like the way it is, why did you buy one? None of these things are new. They've basically been the same since they came out. You largely had a choice of two products. It sounds like one did what you wanted, and one didn't. You bought the one that didn't and now you're unhappy about it. I don't quite understand that.

It doesn’t matter why I bought one. Car manufactures can’t just do whatever they want. They have to follow rules. What’s wrong with people wanting Apple and Google to follow some rules? Having a rule that all smartphones should allow sideloading would not be the end of the world for people who like Apple’s app store. Those people would still have the choice to us it.

Would you also pass those rules for console makers?

Do you also complain that you can’t put gas in a Tesla even though you should have known that it was designed that way?

Did you watch the hearing the other day? Do you really trust those people to regulate tech?

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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As a customer, I am happy with the potential for greater consumer choice. And as an app developer, I am happy with the potential for greater 3rd party dev leverage over the platform. In this specific situation, I am okay with exploring options involving the government monopoly of force to bring about potentially beneficial outcomes, when used against the most valuable company on the planet, for what will likely cost…

Are you saying that you're fine to use the government's force against a company that is not causing harm to anyone just so that you benefit from that intervention (and in complete disregard to all users who are happy to pay for Apple's products and services exactly the way they are)? There's a name for this: Crony Capitalism.

Given that breaking up a major power leads to increased competition, it’s arguably more capitalistic and market-efficient.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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This is like complaining that it's unfair that only McDonald's are allowed to sell inside a McDonald's.

There are thousands of different restaurants to choose from. There are only two pocket computers. And they're both beating people up over protection money. Moreover, computing used to be free like water. These companies locked it down so you have to go through them. Imagine if you had to pay McDonald's to open your own restaurant. Imagine if every restaurant in the US had to do so. Imagine if McDonald's gathered data…

> There are only two pocket computers.

There are thousands of powerful smartphones on the market, from many different companies and even countries.

> It's not okay.

I'm okay with it.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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I'm curious, if you didn't like the way it is, why did you buy one? None of these things are new. They've basically been the same since they came out. You largely had a choice of two products. It sounds like one did what you wanted, and one didn't. You bought the one that didn't and now you're unhappy about it. I don't quite understand that.

We shouldn’t have to choose between one of two products, each of which is controlled by a giant, unaccountable entity which has its own type of anti-competitive stranglehold on consumers and engages in harmful behavior. It’s pretty clear the only path out of this situation is to rethink antitrust laws in a society where companies have evolved to evade them, and to legislate.

Apple is very accountable. If users don’t like their products, they can buy an Android. Apple has to give users some reason to pay the Apple premium.
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