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The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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For many of us that is a feature, not a problem.

I've seen many things described as a feature but platform monopoly is a new one, unless 'many of us' in this case means 'Apple shareholder'

Why can't the increased security of the review process be a feature?

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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Well they can do all that with a 10% fee too. The author is contending that by adding those restrictions and a high 30% fee, Apple is acting like a monopoly - it's their way or the highway.

This is their platform... maybe the gov can make this a legal monopoly like the NFL. And, everyone gets the same % rate, same rules, and no apple competition in apps. Same for Google...

It is NOT same for Google, and that's exactly the point.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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You can still have what you want and give people other options. It's called choice. We deserve to be able to choose

You can choose, go and choose one of the other 70% of the phones on the market.

Sure, when Apple will just sue any competitor for "infringing" on it's millions of stupid software patents

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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Because the government should not have unilateral power over a platform you've poured your own time, money, and effort into developing. That would be theft. I am honestly amazed that people are still in favor of gross government overreach in the era of Trump.

You can say the same about Ma Bell, or Standard Oil. The pre-edited version of the original post asked the ludicrous question " So now we’re going to have governments design the software in our phones ", so he got a ludicrous answer in kind. But in theory, if Apple's control of the App Store platform constitutes a monopoly, it would not be gross government overreach to pursue antitrust, as it has done historically, e…

> if Apple's control of the App Store platform constitutes a monopoly,

But it's not a monopoly. The vast majority of the "app store" ecosystem is the Play Store. Apple's "App Store" is a minority player.

Otherwise you could arbitrarily divide any platform recursively until something is a monopoly in need of getting regulated.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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As a consumer, I am 100% in favor of the way run the app store. I don't want to give random apps my credit card. I don't want to have 18 accounts to keep track of. I don't want to have to call telephone support to cancel my account. I don't want malware in my apps. I don't want apps to have my email if they don't need it. I don't need another middleman for content companies license and distribute. Everything Apple is…

That's fine, but why it has to be only app store? why not let other App Stores compete on the same platform, and let the user choose, as we do with browsers ?

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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Genuine question: Why does this matter? I see 0 problems with Apple having a "walled garden." It's their product and their platform so they should be able to decide what gets supported and developed for it. I personally don't like how Apple conducts their business so I just don't use Apple products and that's that.

Because it makes apps more expensive.

If the apps become more expensive then people will stop buying them from the App Store and seeing people are not willing to pay for more expensive apps developers would probably stop developing for iOS which in the end would cause users to abandon the platform seeing as they cannot get the apps they need.

If apps being more expensive is really the only problem then it seems like the problem fixes itself.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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Genuine question: Why does this matter? I see 0 problems with Apple having a "walled garden." It's their product and their platform so they should be able to decide what gets supported and developed for it. I personally don't like how Apple conducts their business so I just don't use Apple products and that's that.

Well, you should hope that your country doesn't turn into a authoritarian regime. Cause then you'll be unable to use VPN or any kind of encrypted chats - only those that give access to comrade Major from the secret police.

If you think I'm overblowing things, try finding Signal in China's AppStore.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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The local cinema has an exclusive right on selling popcorn within its own walls. Far from being the only game in town, this cinema represents only 25% of the market and thus does not qualify for the Sherman Act definition of "monopoly". Punters, however, believe that once they enter the establishment they are now in the clutches of the monopoly, and so demand competing popcorn stands and reject the suggestion of walking over to the competing theater.

Sorry folks, that's not how Sherman Act works. So long as there are enough movie theaters in town it's not a "monopoly", and a non-existent monopoly cannot be abused.

The US congress could, of course, rewrite the law (as they did to pass the Sherman Act in the first place), but until such day Apple is not a monopoly in the US.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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As an app developer, what bothers me is not so much the fact that you have to pay the 30% when going through the app store it's the fact that you cannot even mention the Android Play store AT ALL. Also I don't like that they completely force app developers to use IAP instead of supporting other purchasing flows (without Apple's cut)

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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> This is virtually indistinguishable from a protection racket: It is a fee that developers must pay if they want to stay in business. And it is a fee which ultimately harms consumers because these fees are indirectly passed on to users, either through higher prices, or through fewer competing products in the marketplace.

I guess this would be great, if it were true. There are over two million competing apps in the market [1], and the vast majority are priced ridiculously competitively at less than a dollar each [2]. That's the average cost, not the median, which would be significantly lower.

I'm sure proton isn't happy about this, but considering the ridiculously high salaries app developers are able to command [3] but the market doesn't seem to agree with their assessment.

Now, this may be more true about app companies, but the numbers there tell a different story. Based on this analysis [4], the thing killing them isn't the developer fees, its that its ridiculously hard to make any sort of living if your only product is a phone app. The majority of apps simply make no money at all. Adding 30% to 0 doesn't do much for anyone.

[1]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/263795/number-of-availab...

[2]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/267346/average-apple-app...

[3]: https://www.businessofapps.com/app-developers/research/ios-a...

[4]: https://medium.com/@sm_app_intel/a-bunch-of-average-app-reve...

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