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The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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By not allowing alternate app stores, yes.

Nobody forces anybody to buy an Apple product... In fact, Apple charges more, so it makes it even more difficult to buy them than an Android phone -- which also has multiple app install options. Why not use that?

I must have a smartphone. Android is not usable because of the lack of privacy.

So I am forced to use an iPhone. Regulation is necessary in Oligopolys.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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Apple had the opportunity to lean on the web and elected not to. With appropriate APIs, web apps can reach into devices and leverage GPU and CPU compute, multiple threads, microphone, camera, on-device storage, and more. HTML and canvas don't have to be the only UI primitives available. Both Google and Apple should be forced to fund the W3C and/or Mozilla in leading development of a cross-platform native experience.…

> Both Google and Apple should be forced to fund the W3C and/or Mozilla in leading development of a cross-platform native experience Private entities shouldn't be forced into doing anything on a whim. You can arguably stop them from doing some things, but there is no reasonable basis for compelling companies to do things as you are saying. > Downvotes already? What's wrong with wanting an open platform? The downvotes…

> Private entities shouldn't be forced into doing anything on a whim.

It's not a whim. They're being investigated by the EU and US Congress for being monopolies and suffocating smaller players. They're sucking all of the air out of the environment, making it incredibly difficult to gain traction on your own.

Don't trust me? Ask DHH.

> You can arguably stop them from doing some things, but there is no reasonable basis for compelling companies to do things as you are saying.

The government can absolutely tell them what to do. Apple wouldn't be where they are today if the US Government hadn't intervened against Microsoft and forced them to pay Apple.

Apple exists because of antitrust and the DOJ.

> You don't get to tell people what to do simply because you want it to be that way. That's tyranny.

I'm glad the tyrannical government put the FDA in place. And the FAA. Can you imagine if those industries could act however they wanted?

> People have rights.

Companies aren't people. Despite Citizen's United.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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By not allowing alternate app stores, yes.

Nobody forces anybody to buy an Apple product... In fact, Apple charges more, so it makes it even more difficult to buy them than an Android phone -- which also has multiple app install options. Why not use that?

From a practical point of view, if you're a developer and you don't target iOS you're going to lose. It's a duopoly and Apple really controls the affluent segment (ie the users willing to buy apps or pay for in-app services) pretty strongly. And the user base is very sticky. If some big app owner like Facebook or AirBnb came out and said "We're only supporting Android now, so please switch phones to use our service" they'd just go out of business. That's the essence of monopolism.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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You can still have what you want and give people other options. It's called choice. We deserve to be able to choose

Let’s be precise here. You want to be able to choose. If you can force thru a change to allow other app stores on an IDevice, and Apple still refuses to follow thru, then you can say you deserve it. Wanting a thing is not the same as deserving it. Choice does not exist until you have options. That said, I’m in favor of opening up other App Stores, so Apple can boot the all crapware and focus on a small number of high…

It's a bit pedantic, but okay. I philosophically believe that we deserve to choose - you are right that the reality is different. I would like to make it the same.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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As a consumer, I am 100% in favor of the way run the app store. I don't want to give random apps my credit card. I don't want to have 18 accounts to keep track of. I don't want to have to call telephone support to cancel my account. I don't want malware in my apps. I don't want apps to have my email if they don't need it. I don't need another middleman for content companies license and distribute. Everything Apple is…

This is not pro-consumer behaviour. This is pro-Apple behaviour. They enjoy the lock in + fees that the app store generates. They're even stifling web apps to maintain this monopoly.

If they were so pro-consumer, why do they allow spyware such as Tiktok to exist on their platform at all?

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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For many of us that is a feature, not a problem.

You're no entitled to a "feature" of my phone blocking functionality that doesn't affect you.

> You're no entitled to a "feature" of my phone blocking functionality that doesn't affect you.

I respect that you would prefer other stores, but I would prefer a single store, that's all. I don't think I'm entitled to anything. I bought an iPhone with the expectation of a walled garden, but if that changes then I can re-evaluate my phone choice. BigCorp doesn't own me anything.

Also, a second store would affect me. I will have to make a decision on whether to trust a separate store or not use those apps. I'd prefer not to have to make that choice.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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As a consumer, I am 100% in favor of the way run the app store. I don't want to give random apps my credit card. I don't want to have 18 accounts to keep track of. I don't want to have to call telephone support to cancel my account. I don't want malware in my apps. I don't want apps to have my email if they don't need it. I don't need another middleman for content companies license and distribute. Everything Apple is…

The problem isn't how they run their store -- the problem is that they are the only store.

Would you agree that to be a monopoly means to have exclusive control of App distribution? Looking across the market Apple has exclusive control of only a small minority percentage of all App distribution.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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For many of us that is a feature, not a problem.

You're no entitled to a "feature" of my phone blocking functionality that doesn't affect you.

That's just dumb. You knew going into what Apple was like. Most of the phones on the earth are Android. How is Apple a monopoly?

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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As a consumer, I am 100% in favor of the way run the app store. I don't want to give random apps my credit card. I don't want to have 18 accounts to keep track of. I don't want to have to call telephone support to cancel my account. I don't want malware in my apps. I don't want apps to have my email if they don't need it. I don't need another middleman for content companies license and distribute. Everything Apple is…

Why not let consumers decide if Apple's 30% uplift is worth it? Clearly for yourself that is the case, but others may come to a different conclusion.

Most markets offer a variety of tradeoffs in price vs. quality. Consumers rarely pick the cheapest product. If Apple's app store is superior, they will have no problem in justifying their 30%.

Re: The App Store is a monopoly: Here's why the EU is correct to investigate Apple

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The only monopoly here is Apple’s monopoly on designing its own products. The iPhone, iOS, it’s development tools and the App Store are all Apple products, so Apple gets to decide what features they have. It’s also not unusual for companies to make deals with third parties to include their technology and software in their products, often as optional chargeable extras. That’s all the App Store is, it’s a way to add op…

> Are you going to mandate what features Apple, or any manufacturer of devices with embedded software, can or cannot implement? In fact, yes. Just like we mandate cars have seat belts and third brake lights, airliners have emergency exits, automobile fuel contains no lead or added ethanol, houses use electrical wires per code, and so forth. Government can simply mandate a maximum fee (like credit card interchange fee…

Not to mention, the EU just ruled recently on what Apple can or cannot include in their actual hardware:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22204174

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