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What does the 17yo have to do with it? Would it be different for an 18yo?

In the United States, we generally consider minors who commit crimes to be a different class of criminal than people above 18. We do this because (AFAICT), there's a sort of societal agreement that wisdom/maturity is a logarithmic curve that begins to flatten in the late teens and 18 was picked as a legal threshold. So if a 2 year old, 8 year old and 18 year old all shoot and kill someone, we prescribe much different…

FWIW, don't imagine that there was anything as elegant as "logarithmic curve analysis" used to decide that the age of majority is 18.

It's an age that was settled upon by common-sense consensus over a grand function of "Well, most Americans (descended from Europeans) thought it should be around 21," and that's probably because 21 is a nice, round number. Then the draft age got pushed to 18 because we needed more bodies for the meat-grinder in World War II, and the voting age followed around Vietnam when too many people asked "Wait, in what way is it just or fair we can force people to fight and die in a war who can't even vote?"

There isn't a lot of hard science (beyond the most ancient human science of all: observation across millions of data-points loosely confederated into "common sense") underpinning the age of majority.

Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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This report has some details: https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/press-release/file/1300126...

> On April 2, 2020, the administrator of the OGUsers forum publicly announced that OGUsers website was successfully hacked. Shortly after the announcement, a rival criminal hacking forum publicly released a link to download the OGUsers forum database, claiming it contained all of the forum’s user information. The publicly released database has been available on various websites since approximately April 2020. On or a…

What about this implies parallel construction to you? The OGUsers databases (well, actually a couple, they've been hacked multiple times) has been publicly available for a while. Also, the discord chats and Vice article include details on selling accounts with desirable names - even if not explicitly linked to OGUsers (I don't recall off the top of my head if it was called out), you could track hacked accounts, see they were sold or discussed on OGUsers, and then give a look at the DB. That seems an obvious route of investigation to me?

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I personally lost $6000 dollars, is there any way I could prove that I was a victim and get my crypto back?

I don’t mean to be rude, but I have to ask - what were you thinking?

Unassuming it's not a troll, $ signs in the eyes.

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> Also should any repercussions be considered against Twitter that a 17yo was able to gain access to the private messages of potentially some of the most important individuals in the world? 200 Million Americans could drive a car into a crowd. That doesn't make it any less bad for someone to do.

That is not the point that the parent comment is making, though. It's not whether it's bad for someone to commit this crime, it's whether Twitter should be held liable for such poor security practices that a 17 year old can hack them.

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Didn't Krebs run a story about these people a week or so ago? It looks like it was 100% loose ends.

I don't remember if he was reporting on any of these 3 guys. But I do remember that a huge media outlet/conglomerate was quick to accuse Krebs of wrongfully accusing somebody (no idea how they got that, behind a paywall) and how he had previously wrongfully accused people. Felt a lot like a hit piece to me, at the time. It would be interesting to know if Krebs turned out to be right. That could say a thing or two abo…

One of the people mentioned in Krebs's article is being charged, but not all of them: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/07/whos-behind-wednesdays-e...

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> Also should any repercussions be considered against Twitter that a 17yo was able to gain access to the private messages of potentially some of the most important individuals in the world? 200 Million Americans could drive a car into a crowd. That doesn't make it any less bad for someone to do.

That is not the point that the parent comment is making, though. It's not whether it's bad for someone to commit this crime, it's whether Twitter should be held liable for such poor security practices that a 17 year old can hack them.

The same point stands with the car, any 17 year old could borrow their parents car and drive into a crowd. It's not the fault of the car owner for not securing their car.

Security is not preventing people from doing things, it's having some limitations so it's not too easily too quickly (cars are protected by keys, accounts by passwords). Anybody motivated can and will bypass security easily.

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I actually think this kid has a bright future. My prediction: 1 year jail time, 5-10years probation. Will get hired as a security consultant.

He's being charged with 30 felonies but at the same time exposed how woefully inadequate Twitter is at securing the accounts of high-profile people, some of which with control of apocalyptic weapons. I predict he'll plea out to doing a few years of free work for the government.

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Hitting a 17yo with 30 felony charges feels a bit steep to me. Also should any repercussions be considered against Twitter that a 17yo was able to gain access to the private messages of potentially some of the most important individuals in the world? If a 17yo could do it, I'm sure a nation state could do it.

Since the President makes all his official statements via Twitter, one could argue this is a matter of national security.

Also, Twitter is just a collection of people and a single person is trivial to exploit.

Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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> Also should any repercussions be considered against Twitter that a 17yo was able to gain access to the private messages of potentially some of the most important individuals in the world? 200 Million Americans could drive a car into a crowd. That doesn't make it any less bad for someone to do.

Twitter is a meme service with a bunch of self absorbed individuals talking over each other... just FYI in case you lived under the rock for last 10 years.

Well, maybe it was until a certain individual started using it to conduct matters of foreign and domestic policy.

Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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> Today’s announcement proves that cybercriminals can no longer hide behind perceived global anonymity Anyone know what the loose end was that got these guys busted?

> In the days leading up to Wednesday’s attack on Twitter, there were signs that some actors in the SIM swapping community were selling the ability to change an email address tied to any Twitter account. In a post on OGusers — a forum dedicated to account hijacking — a user named “Chaewon” advertised they could change email address tied to any Twitter account for $250, and provide direct access to accounts for between $2,000 and $3,000 apiece.

- Brian Krebs [https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/07/whos-behind-wednesdays-e...]

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