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Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The age of the attacker is irrelevant to Twitter's role in this story. However your underlying point still stands. If we want these types of attacks to stop, we can't just let all these companies off with a public embarrassment being the primary punishment. At a certain point we have to start calling it negligence when companies fall for these attacks and fail to have proper precautions in place to prevent them.

From memory, I recall the FBI did a study, and found that half of their employees would plug in a USB drive that they found on the ground in the parking lot. After training, that number was reduced to a quarter. If a security-focused government police agency is so vulnerable, it is unreasonable to expect perfection from a (less paranoid) company.

Isn't that how they got Stuxnet into the Iranian nuclear facilities?

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Hitting a 17yo with 30 felony charges feels a bit steep to me. Also should any repercussions be considered against Twitter that a 17yo was able to gain access to the private messages of potentially some of the most important individuals in the world? If a 17yo could do it, I'm sure a nation state could do it.

Having bad security is not criminal. If it was we wouldn't have a voting village at defcon cracked by pre-teens and there would be a lot more irresponsible CEO's in prison (so probably a better world).

Usually, the counterweight to bad security is the extremely-practical "Pests, assholes, or criminals ownz you."

Which works on average.

Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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post #131

Hitting a 17yo with 30 felony charges feels a bit steep to me. Also should any repercussions be considered against Twitter that a 17yo was able to gain access to the private messages of potentially some of the most important individuals in the world? If a 17yo could do it, I'm sure a nation state could do it.

>>* Hitting a 17yo with 30 felony charges feels a bit steep to me.*

what charge should they leave out? Also he will not serve, say 15 years X 30 charges, if found guilty.

Now they are dealing with him, what happens to Twitter, if anything, is a different story. 17 years old or 19...he knew what he did

Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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Hold on... how could they have de-anonymized the blockchain transactions? That seems.. false

All transactions are public on the Bitcoin blockchain. I haven't followed the wallets, but it's possible that they tried to cash out on an exchange and got caught. Or they were initially found via other means and a search of their computers found the corresponding wallet.dat files.

Which would likely be encrypted

Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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post #131

Hitting a 17yo with 30 felony charges feels a bit steep to me. Also should any repercussions be considered against Twitter that a 17yo was able to gain access to the private messages of potentially some of the most important individuals in the world? If a 17yo could do it, I'm sure a nation state could do it.

I felt a sting reading that too. He hit the idiot computer kid jackpot and did idiot computer kid things with it. Not saying no consequences, but damn.

Idiot kid things would be having Obama tweet "I think @Kelly2003 should go to the prom with Clark". If you're old enough to run a send back scam, you should know it's wrong.

Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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post #131

Hitting a 17yo with 30 felony charges feels a bit steep to me. Also should any repercussions be considered against Twitter that a 17yo was able to gain access to the private messages of potentially some of the most important individuals in the world? If a 17yo could do it, I'm sure a nation state could do it.

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Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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Hitting a 17yo with 30 felony charges feels a bit steep to me. Also should any repercussions be considered against Twitter that a 17yo was able to gain access to the private messages of potentially some of the most important individuals in the world? If a 17yo could do it, I'm sure a nation state could do it.

Nothing in the complaint (well, for the two others, since his is sealed) says that a state-level actor wasn't involved. Could be the tip of the iceberg. I find it hard to believe that this was prank hacking for about $150,000. You could sell Obama's handle for more, surely.

Do you know anybody willing to pay over $150,000 for temporary access to Obama’s twitter account? I find this type of comment kind of naive and poorly thought out.

Just because you’re a hacker doesn’t mean you know how to sell secrets to Russia, and trying to establish lines of communication like that are probably going to raise red flags with law enforcement.

To be fair, the strategy of scamming for bitcoin was crazily simplistic and destined to fail, due to how easy it is to track bitcoin. I am not at all surprised that some of the people allegedly involved have already been caught.

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> Today’s announcement proves that cybercriminals can no longer hide behind perceived global anonymity Anyone know what the loose end was that got these guys busted?

Didn't Krebs run a story about these people a week or so ago? It looks like it was 100% loose ends.

I don't remember if he was reporting on any of these 3 guys. But I do remember that a huge media outlet/conglomerate was quick to accuse Krebs of wrongfully accusing somebody (no idea how they got that, behind a paywall) and how he had previously wrongfully accused people.

Felt a lot like a hit piece to me, at the time. It would be interesting to know if Krebs turned out to be right. That could say a thing or two about that news paper.

Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can take individual responsibility and disable JS by default. Sure, you try explaining that to the general public, and why most of the sites they visit don't work anymore. It's hard enough to manage as a techie. This is the same argument snake oil purveyors use to complain about health and safety regulations, and it's silly for the same reasons. > This is much more ethical than the European choice to bring in p…

I don't know about the public. That is many people I don't have control of. I do know that I can do it myself and it works fine and I can work around things. I think this is true for many technical people. And I think doing this would encourage many of us to think of better ways to design and implement no-JS fallback functionality when making things for the public to use.

> I don't know about the public.

The EU is tasked with protecting their public in a way that you are not.

Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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post #131

Hitting a 17yo with 30 felony charges feels a bit steep to me. Also should any repercussions be considered against Twitter that a 17yo was able to gain access to the private messages of potentially some of the most important individuals in the world? If a 17yo could do it, I'm sure a nation state could do it.

I agree this bothers me to my core. Even the 22 year old hasn't developed a fully functional neocortex. I know it seems a little hypocritical of me for getting sad when this happens to a young programmer and not an inner city gang member, but it does.

To pull off a hack like this is indicative of these kids being intelligent, risky and bold. Yeah, they went where they shouldn't, but I personally think these are the types of people we need leading us into the future of science. It does us no good to keep rewarding sycophants with 4.0s and fellowships and tenure, but removing the "trouble makers" from the system.

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