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Post by throwawaysea »

nient wrote: post #19
throwawaysea wrote: post #9

These platforms hold way too much power in deciding which speech is allowed and disallowed. There have been many times where trusted public agencies provided incorrect guidance on COVID - why should they enjoy a monopoly on speech and trust on these topics? We need dissenting voices and speculation to be heard, because they are part of the societal journey to ascertain the truth. I’m also concerned that these actions…

Hearing the opposing view, doesn't mean we should pay any attention to flat-earthers and conspiracy theorists. We are not going to reach the truth that way.

Why not? Flat earthers haven’t had much impact as far as public opinion. And HCQ isn’t a conspiracy theory unless you label all new data or speculation or difference of opinion as a conspiracy theory. We have to be careful when we use these labels. For example when the WHO said masks weren’t helpful, was that a conspiracy theory? Were the people nevertheless pushing masks also conspiracy theorists?

There are also many experts that support hearing the opposing view by the way. For example, Yale’s public health Dean just came out in support of the right to argue that HCQ could save lives (https://www.thecollegefix.com/yales-dean-of-public-health-de...). This statement was made because one of the public health professors at Yale believes HCQ could save lives, and the Dean felt it is important to defend academic freedom and free inquiry. We need that to challenge what might otherwise be incorrect prevailing sentiments on how best to treat COVID. It may be a dead end ultimately, but I am not for shutting down all discussion around it.

Re: Squarespace has “completely and arbitrarily shut down our website”

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Post by aspenmayer »

encom wrote: post #18
aspenmayer wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case, they have the first say which is enforceable. A legal case, if brought and substantiated, could have a further decision, which may supersede any prior decision. For your sake, what do you think should happen?

I think nothing should happen. The information does not violate any laws. Maybe it's utter bollocks, maybe it's not, but I'm tired of american tech companies trying to protect me from "harmful" opinions and information.

I guess I just see those “‘harmful’ opinions and information” as the tip of the iceberg. There’s a whole invisible economy around these sites and info. Follow the money.

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Post by ghthor »

throwawaysea wrote: post #16
Hnrobert42 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are not political opinions. Spreading discredited information during a pandemic is like yelling fire in a crowded theater. Advocating the use of a medication shown by numerous studies not to work against CoVID-19 is not an unpopular opinion. It is factually incorrect and wantonly dangerous.

There are numerous conflicting studies and opinions on HCQ. A major study that claimed HCQ harmed patients was ultimately retracted ( https://reason.com/2020/06/04/the-lancets-hydroxychloroquine... ). CNN ran an article on one of the pro HCQ studies not too long ago ( https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-cor... ). Their tweet about this study is still up and has no Twitter imposed warnings or cens…

We think the censorship of the HCQ treating covid is because the government needs to stockpile HCQ because it's good for treating radiation damage to DNA. Damage that could be caused by cell towers and other radio frequencies. We found a patent[1] for this. The truth of the matter is being hidden from us in a huge psyop.

[1] https://patents.google.com/patent/US20050014785A1/en

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Post by t0mbstone »

throwawaysea wrote: post #16
Hnrobert42 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are not political opinions. Spreading discredited information during a pandemic is like yelling fire in a crowded theater. Advocating the use of a medication shown by numerous studies not to work against CoVID-19 is not an unpopular opinion. It is factually incorrect and wantonly dangerous.

There are numerous conflicting studies and opinions on HCQ. A major study that claimed HCQ harmed patients was ultimately retracted ( https://reason.com/2020/06/04/the-lancets-hydroxychloroquine... ). CNN ran an article on one of the pro HCQ studies not too long ago ( https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-cor... ). Their tweet about this study is still up and has no Twitter imposed warnings or cens…

The problem isn't just that "America's Front Line Doctors" were claiming HCQ was a cure. That could be forgiven... Depending on which studies you favor, and what your definition of a "cure" is. For example, can you really claim that a 5% improvement is a "cure"?

But these "doctors" were ALSO telling people they don't need to wear masks anymore, which is provably false. All you have to do is look at how infection rates drop every time masks are mandated to know this fact.

It's a big problem when a right wing group (Breitbart) stages a bunch of anti-science "doctors" and exploits their medical licenses to essentially mass murder people by spreading false hope and absolutely, provably false information like the advice not to wear masks.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/tech/facebook-youtube-coronav...

In my humble opinion, every single one of those "doctors" should be stripped of their license to practice medicine, and should face criminal charges.

Re: Squarespace has “completely and arbitrarily shut down our website”

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

throwawaysea wrote: post #16
Hnrobert42 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are not political opinions. Spreading discredited information during a pandemic is like yelling fire in a crowded theater. Advocating the use of a medication shown by numerous studies not to work against CoVID-19 is not an unpopular opinion. It is factually incorrect and wantonly dangerous.

There are numerous conflicting studies and opinions on HCQ. A major study that claimed HCQ harmed patients was ultimately retracted ( https://reason.com/2020/06/04/the-lancets-hydroxychloroquine... ). CNN ran an article on one of the pro HCQ studies not too long ago ( https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-cor... ). Their tweet about this study is still up and has no Twitter imposed warnings or cens…

Why is it important for you that we keep looking at HCQ? As more and more studies are released show its ineffectiveness, will you look for more and more obscure justifications? Why? Why not accept that HCQ is not an effective treatment? What is it about HCQ that gets you so fired up?

These are genuine, non-rhetorical questions. I presume you are a reasonably intelligent, rational person acting in good faith. I accept that you don’t see yourself as foolish or a nutball, and if I met you in person, we’d probably get along fine. So I am trying to bridge the digital divide and figure out what motivates you.

Re: Squarespace has “completely and arbitrarily shut down our website”

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Post by throwawaysea »

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #25
throwawaysea wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are numerous conflicting studies and opinions on HCQ. A major study that claimed HCQ harmed patients was ultimately retracted ( https://reason.com/2020/06/04/the-lancets-hydroxychloroquine... ). CNN ran an article on one of the pro HCQ studies not too long ago ( https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-cor... ). Their tweet about this study is still up and has no Twitter imposed warnings or cens…

Why is it important for you that we keep looking at HCQ? As more and more studies are released show its ineffectiveness, will you look for more and more obscure justifications? Why? Why not accept that HCQ is not an effective treatment? What is it about HCQ that gets you so fired up? These are genuine, non-rhetorical questions. I presume you are a reasonably intelligent, rational person acting in good faith. I accept…

It’s not about HCQ for me, although I’m sure many are driven by the politicization if it. It’s more about freedom of speech/thought/inquiry. Shutting down all research or exploration or discussion seems like an argument to blindly trust in the status quo and in agencies that can be wrong and have been wrong. I remember seeing the same thing in earlier days of COVID, where Medium would block articles from amateurs performing their own analysis of the data and research. Many of those articles were proven over time to be more correct than what the prevailing consensus was back then.

It is important to allow speculative or early stage discussion to happen and I simply do not agree with large technology platforms exercising this degree of control over societal discourse, especially when things aren’t “settled” or fully understood.

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