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Re: Squarespace has “completely and arbitrarily shut down our website”

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

Alupis wrote: post #6
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #2

I'm concerned about HN signal boosting random Twitter threads. This is on the front page, but do we have any idea who this person is or whether they're a reliable source?

Does it matter? Knowing Square will shutdown your website/business based off the political opinion of some Square employees is flooring. It makes Square an unacceptable risk for any business.

These are not political opinions. Spreading discredited information during a pandemic is like yelling fire in a crowded theater. Advocating the use of a medication shown by numerous studies not to work against CoVID-19 is not an unpopular opinion. It is factually incorrect and wantonly dangerous.

Re: Squarespace has “completely and arbitrarily shut down our website”

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Post by encom »

aspenmayer wrote: post #10
encom wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reliable source for what? You can easily verify yourself that www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com has been taken down. And the archive.org captures from the live site references the twitter account in OP. https://web.archive.org/web/20200727231840/https://www.ameri...

Are they a reliable source for the content posted on their site, is how I read their query.

Well, I guess that's for Squarespace to decide.

Re: Squarespace has “completely and arbitrarily shut down our website”

#13

Post by eternalban »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #7
eternalban wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The information you need is one click away: https://twitter.com/drsimonegold What I am concerned about is the systemic effort to silence dissenting views. It is entirely possible that the dissenting views are incorrect. This civilization used to pride itself on informed debate, so here is a shout out to the dispossesed children of the Enlightenment: freedom of information and debate is central to our way of life. It…

Her profile informs me that she is a "doctor-lawyer-writer-mom", and runs a site called "The Gold Opinion" where facts lead and opinions follow. This doesn't really help me evaluate whether she's a reliable source.

Does it? This is 'pinned':

Quote:

Thank you all so much for your support!

The new website is up! All of the videos are coming soon, but for now you can find the white paper on #HCQ and the compendium of #HCQ studies.

Please consider donating.

http://americasfrontlinedoctorsummit.com

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Re: Squarespace has “completely and arbitrarily shut down our website”

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Post by aspenmayer »

encom wrote: post #12
aspenmayer wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they a reliable source for the content posted on their site, is how I read their query.

Well, I guess that's for Squarespace to decide.

In this case, they have the first say which is enforceable. A legal case, if brought and substantiated, could have a further decision, which may supersede any prior decision.

For your sake, what do you think should happen?

Re: Squarespace has “completely and arbitrarily shut down our website”

#16

Post by throwawaysea »

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #11
Alupis wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it matter? Knowing Square will shutdown your website/business based off the political opinion of some Square employees is flooring. It makes Square an unacceptable risk for any business.

These are not political opinions. Spreading discredited information during a pandemic is like yelling fire in a crowded theater. Advocating the use of a medication shown by numerous studies not to work against CoVID-19 is not an unpopular opinion. It is factually incorrect and wantonly dangerous.

There are numerous conflicting studies and opinions on HCQ. A major study that claimed HCQ harmed patients was ultimately retracted (https://reason.com/2020/06/04/the-lancets-hydroxychloroquine...). CNN ran an article on one of the pro HCQ studies not too long ago (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-cor...). Their tweet about this study is still up and has no Twitter imposed warnings or censorship (https://mobile.twitter.com/cnn/status/1278964201789194240).

My point is - when something like HCQ’s effectiveness/safety is undecided, why aren’t people allowed to talk about it? Why aren’t doctors allowed to share their experiences with it? And when do things ever get fully decided to the point that they cannot be challenged at all? And why does censorship apply to some but not all sources?

Re: Squarespace has “completely and arbitrarily shut down our website”

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Post by encom »

aspenmayer wrote: post #15
encom wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I guess that's for Squarespace to decide.

In this case, they have the first say which is enforceable. A legal case, if brought and substantiated, could have a further decision, which may supersede any prior decision. For your sake, what do you think should happen?

I think nothing should happen. The information does not violate any laws. Maybe it's utter bollocks, maybe it's not, but I'm tired of american tech companies trying to protect me from "harmful" opinions and information.

Re: Squarespace has “completely and arbitrarily shut down our website”

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Post by nient »

throwawaysea wrote: post #9

These platforms hold way too much power in deciding which speech is allowed and disallowed. There have been many times where trusted public agencies provided incorrect guidance on COVID - why should they enjoy a monopoly on speech and trust on these topics? We need dissenting voices and speculation to be heard, because they are part of the societal journey to ascertain the truth. I’m also concerned that these actions…

Hearing the opposing view, doesn't mean we should pay any attention to flat-earthers and conspiracy theorists. We are not going to reach the truth that way.

Re: Squarespace has “completely and arbitrarily shut down our website”

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Post by eternalban »

nient wrote: post #19
throwawaysea wrote: post #9

These platforms hold way too much power in deciding which speech is allowed and disallowed. There have been many times where trusted public agencies provided incorrect guidance on COVID - why should they enjoy a monopoly on speech and trust on these topics? We need dissenting voices and speculation to be heard, because they are part of the societal journey to ascertain the truth. I’m also concerned that these actions…

Hearing the opposing view, doesn't mean we should pay any attention to flat-earthers and conspiracy theorists. We are not going to reach the truth that way.

No one is forcing you to read their content. If their content is illegal, take them to court. That is why we have a Legal System.

The issue here is a company censoring speech. That is the actual issue.

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