A College Degree Is No Guarantee of a Good Life
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#32It's all about show and very little about substance.
Building a flashy web app and studying for interviews will get you further than anything you learn in school.
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#33Life is a long haul ride, requires a lot of things to get through it well. College education is obviously one part of it. It would help people to realize any thing one does has an expiry date to it. This is why you need to have a system to remain consistent at some broad goals. Things like good eating, exercise, personal finance, relationships, reading and learning have to be done consistently, and have to be done th…
When I graduated, I couldn't find any legal jobs (I could find some jobs masquerading as contracts, that employers offered to avoid paying taxes properly), because whenever I did, the person that got hired was someone else that DIDN'T go to college, but had 4 years of experience more than me.
After some time working (like I said, as "contractor"), and I finally had some experience, my issue was that people hired were either younger with same experience, or my age but more experienced.
And then of course there was the issue that my job selection was extremely limited, I could only take jobs that would let me pay my massive student debt, it felt to me my life wasn't much different than the one of a literal slave, being forced to work into very specific jobs because I couldn't take a job that paid less, or take my time to find a better job, etc...
Now I am 33, I have a wife, don't live with my parents anymore, have a reasonable income.
Still can't get unemployment benefits, because never been employed.
Still I am not even called to many job interviews, because "no experience".
Or one time, I was called to a job interview in a big asian multinational that had a Brazillian gamedev office, they been complaining on media for months they were not finding people qualified for the job, the job title was exactly what I had a degree for, the HR loved me and all.
Then when the last step left was for them to get authorization from higher ups... the authorization didn't came.
Know why?
Well, because although I had a degree, they didn't cared about the degree, what they cared about, was experience.
So no, college is NOT "obviously" part of anything unless you mean being "obviously" part of crushing student debt that force thousands into conditions that in my country are literally legally slavery if the owner of the debt was also the employer (we have a law named "employment analogous to slavery", one of its points is that employing people to have them repay their debt to you is considered slavery).
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#34Most successful people have X. Government: “Let’s give everyone X!” Over time the value of X is diluted, loses its status signaling, and overall quality degrades. Successful people move to Y.
The big question is "what is Y in this case"?
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#35That's all.
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#36The article spends a little time, in the middle on the headline assertion "College does not guarantee Happiness" But spends more time on an anecdote about the author's son to demonstrate that "Happiness is possible without College", which is a different matter entirely. And one would hope the latter is true, since 2/3 of the US population does not attend college.
This article is very light on content and I'm kinda surprised something this banal and content-less even made it to an actual publication.
Also, the guy's son graduated high school two years ago, he's 20-21 years old, practically everyone is happy at that age, let's hear about his life satisfaction at 40. That's ignoring the fact that two years is hardly enough time to evaluate the long term outcome of a major life decision.
To be clear, I don't think the author's son will grow up to be miserable, like the parent pointed out, most people don't have a college degree and most people aren't miserable. But this should be obvious.
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#37Colleges have become massive businesses whose purpose is to jam kids through to graduation (thus maximize tuition fees). Most kids don't really want to be there. Both parties are incentivized to "get through it". When a large number of young people have degrees obtained this way, is it any wonder the value is diminished? It's a shame, because I loved (and continue to love) higher education.
Is it really true that, in the US, many college students don't want to be there but go nonetheless, despite having to pay absurd amounts of money? Where I study, uni is basically free, and I've met very few people in my degree who don't want to be there. This seems absurd to me.
Yes, we tend to pay a lot to go to college, and yes, a lot of us feel like we must do it. A lot of choices factor into how much you pay - community college can reduce this, going to a lesser known school, etc. However, it’s an investment in yourself. For some of us, that investment works out really well. Others may struggle to get that awesome job after college.
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#38It seems like people think you should be able to just check a few boxes, then slot into a 9-5 and have everything taken care of for you for the rest of your life.
Well, it doesn't work like that. Even after college you're still going to have to plan and think and take action to make things happen for you. It's not just all going to fall into your lap because you took a few classes in your early 20s.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Apprentices start working one day a week and going to school four. They end up working four days a week and going to school one. It's brilliant. And is there any profession that can't be done this way?
Well you can't become a surgeon or a lawyer unless you switch a university track at some point. But you can definitely work in the medical or legal field by doing an apprenticeship first and moving on to a 2-3 year professional degree (for instance nurse school isn't college here).
"Can't" because those are the rules we've established. But both of those professions seem like they be perfect for apprenticeships (they were at one point in history). It's not like studying the literature isn't or can't be a part of apprenticeship curriculum.
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#40A short (and hence inaccurate) overview of the apprenticeship system for the trades in my country: Apprentices start working one day a week and going to school four. They end up working four days a week and going to school one. Apprentices can switch to a more academic track, at a technical school or university, if they get the desire. When they finish with their apprenticeship, not only do they already have horizont…