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The frustration of trying to invest in my hometown

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Re: The frustration of trying to invest in my hometown

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Tech isn't really a solution to this problem, but maybe some outside of the box thinking could setup a newer framework that would help.

If private lending doesn't want to back this project, even if there isn't 'strong competition' (at least 5 lenders willing to accept the land within a city as collateral), then the government (whichever layer values the land the highest) should be willing to be a buyer at that value and that should be the collateral for a loan at median market rate.

Automating that process and making it easier for consumers to check that data is a natural fit for tech.

Re: The frustration of trying to invest in my hometown

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Tech isn't really a solution to this problem, but maybe some outside of the box thinking could setup a newer framework that would help. If private lending doesn't want to back this project, even if there isn't 'strong competition' (at least 5 lenders willing to accept the land within a city as collateral), then the government (whichever layer values the land the highest) should be willing to be a buyer at that value…

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Re: The frustration of trying to invest in my hometown

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Proper valuation of real estate takes into account the future: usually 15+ years of rental income, maintenance cost, interest on loans, vacancies and churn, the development of surrounding areas in that period and then as a clincher: the future value that the building can be sold for. The underlying principle of any valuation is that there is "At Least One" potential buyer. That makes valuation of real estate an art. Say in a downturn when nobody is buying, the value is suddenly non existent. Valuers have solved that by the "At Least One" criterium: you just value in the fiction that there is always a buyer. I've been involved in several dozen valuations from a risk management perspective and that is the one thing that stuck by me. The downside risk of no liquidity is not in the valuation.

What does this lead to? A value of zero in case of tenants is highly unlikely unless there are some large cost are modelled. If there are a lot of vacant properties with zero current value, that might lead to all values being depressed. If in the set are buildings with high future maintenance cost modelled, the value of the set could become zero.

Perhaps the bank didn't want the risk of all eight properties at the same time and he should have moved step by step: first buy and redevelop the buildings with tenants, only then to expand and get leverage while building on an existing portfolio. That is the way real estate fortunes are made where I live. Get a building, make condos, fill them, show a positive cashflow and add leverage. Rinse and repeat. With rental income in 5%+ and interest moving to 1% it has been a few lucky decades for those involved.

The statistics mentioned between loaning in white and black communities are quite stark. However, to give some more perspective from the lender. A low interest rate signals even smaller risk appetite for the lender. If there ever was room for defaults in portfolios, there is none at interest rates < 1%. It just kills your business to have any one customer fail on payments or worse needing auctioning off. I guess he could easily get crowdsourcing or private investment at 25% of needed capital with his story if he did 75% downpayment at 4%. But that would kill his part of the business case. I would agree that this risk management view could blow up inherent biases in the way valuation work.

Re: The frustration of trying to invest in my hometown

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I'm deeply sorry to hear that he's great endeavor to do well by doing good is being blocked. This is not an apology to the systematic racism that prevents the entreprenur Brian Rice to get a loan. He's right to make his personal struggle known and try to improve the system. This said and given I'm a single founder of a boostrapped startup:

is there anyway he could bootstrap his project and do that in a smaller scale without funding?

As I said before it's terrible to force him to do so, but at least if he does bootstrap and succeed and many do the same one day some of them will be banks/VC and will remember the inequality they suffered and they will not push it further to others.

Re: The frustration of trying to invest in my hometown

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This could be a chicken and egg problem, too.

Banks lend on statistics, just as insurance companies have rates based upon the same. And insurance companies, for the most part, can assign rates based upon average accident rates, for identifiable traits.

Like one's sex. Or where they live (a common way to get statistics without 'race/colour').

So what do I mean by the chicken and the egg, here?

Well, imagine that black landowners go bankrupt more often. And sadly, this could be because black landowners go bankrupt more often!

If a specific statistical classification indicates more bankruptcy, then it becomes true. For example, bank $a is bold enough to lend to someone whom they view as, statistically, more likely to fail. Then.. a few years later?

That person needs a fiscal injection. Were that person not black, it would be easier to get funding at a time of need. However, since that person is?

Well, then they get more denials, go bankrupt, and add to the proof that "statistically, more black people go bankrupt". Or as the banks are likely doing it, "the area where people live in".

In other words, unless you can make EVERYONE, 100% not deny based upon an statistical models? Race/gender/sexual orientation/sex/where they live, etc, etc? Anyone, like bank $a lending outside of those models, will be lending to people less able to find additional assistance when/if the time comes.

Chicken and egg. It's not right, but I view this a little bit like certain regulations, where corporations can't compete against other corporations which 'cut corners', so we have to mandate all corps behave in a certain manner to level the playing field.

Re: The frustration of trying to invest in my hometown

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The way the US property market works just completely blows my mind. Even with federal regulation there is a lot of racism inherently built into the system. Cities drain money from predominantly black neighborhoods by not repairing or updating infrastructure. Banks drain money from those neighborhoods by denying loans and undervaluing property. No surprise the buyer got an appraisal of $0.
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