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Why don't you just say it in plain English: You want cash reparations. At least you did in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24005344 > It's not good for America's stability to let the racial wealth gap stay the same as it was in the 1950s days of legal racism. I think there are few policies more likely to (further) destabilize American politics than cash payments to people with a certain skin color.
I'm in favor of cash payments and other investment for Black Americans to correct the centuries of extensive, targeted legalized racism against Black America. We need a Marshall Plan for Black America badly. Build up Black America after centuries of war against them like we rebuilt Japan and Europe after World War 2. I agree with you that there would be a severe political backlash, especially among members of Trump's…
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#82It doesn't matter to me if they are black-owned or women-led or whatever (and, in order to avoid (possibly unintentional) bias, perhaps it should not be listed by default, unless you specifically look for that information). I should think what matters is the quality of the products/services. Business hours, telephone number, price, etc, are much more important than whether or not those people are black.
Taking feedback or offering a customizable experience isn't really Google's way so I guess you'll just have a small icon to ignore until they decide to silently kill the feature
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
How can we provide economic remedy for the centuries of economic warfare against Black Americans if any remedy specifically addressed to Black people is considered 'racist'? How else do we close the black-white wealth gap legacy of legal racism in America if we're not allowed to do anything to help Black people specifically out of fear of "reverse racism"? Can we worry about getting Black America the economic remedie…
I should think, perhaps by helping individual people instead. If someone is poor then someone might help them, I suppose. Then it won't be racist, it will be individualistic, it would seem. Hiring someone for the job should be decided on if they are competent at that job, not on other criteria such as black, white, men, women, taller, religious, etc, unless that is relevant for this kind of job (such as acting in a m…
What I generally don't see discussed is the hard part of the problem. A business should do their best to hire the best person to complete a job, but how do you do that while bringing up disadvantaged people so they have a fair chance to compete?
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#84In contrast to most of the comments here, I like this. Earlier this year, I watched the first episode of Trigger Warning with Killer Mike (Netflix). In this episode he tried to spend a few days putting money only into black-owned businesses... It was a hard experience for him, and since then I have tried to be conscious of where my money goes, and if I have the option of selecting a black owned business intend to do…
Glad to see it, reading though the comments here really makes new feel like many commenters don't know the history of why black Americans are so economically deprived (in general, obviously there are exceptions).
Black wall Street is a piece of history to look up or reading seriously about the case for reperations (freakonomics had an interesting, multifaceted episode on it recently)
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#85This is actually the definition of racism packaged as anti racism. I don't get it, pointing out a business is black owned means you differentiate based on skin colour aiding discrimination.
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#86I’m fully in support of surfacing attributes about groups who are systemically discriminated against (African American, women, LGBTQ, etc.). I also appreciate knowing that some business is local, supporting the poor and those not privileged to have a decent education, the disabled, etc. But considering how most of the world has turned strongly and violently right wing in the last few years, I’m also concerned about t…
Really? Do you have evidence that right wing violence exceeds that of any other political affiliation? Anecdotally, looking at current events, the opposite seems to be true. I'm not looking for a fight, I'm genuinely curious if there are sources for this claim.
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“Segregation” means “forced separation,” but you seem to be using it to mean “recognizition of any distinction.”
No, not necessarily. Neither the dictionary on my desk nor Wikipedia define the term as requiring force.
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#88It's less intrusive than spamming my Google assistant quick actions with an undismissable "black lives matter" button for the last couple weeks. When tapped, it affirms BLM solidarity vow. My phone region wasn't even North America. More ontopic, wonder if this will be extended to other minorities. Easy way to filter out actually Mexican owned taco shops. Or Japanese owned sushi. What let's go full political, what if…
> My phone region wasn't even North America. The spread of US internal issues to the rest of the world is quite frightening to be honest. A social unrest in North America has way, way more influence in Europeans countries than our own local issues (I'm in the EU), and both our news and politicians react quickly to it, even though US problems are mostly irrelevant here. Even without living close to America, or try to…
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#89But I can't help but wonder - are there any Native American voices in this whole story? Black people got a raw deal but surely it's incomparable with Native American history and they situation the few remaining find themselves in now. Or am I totally wrong?
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#90I'm seeing many comments calling this initiative "racist", or at least going against the principles of all people being equal, etc. This is incorrect! Racism is a hierarchical caste system based on a pseudo-scientific classification of people into races. The dominant form of racism, invented in Europe and exported all over the world via colonization and slavery, is built on the concept of a biologically superior "whi…
> The dominant form of racism, invented in Europe and exported all over the world via colonization and slavery, is built on the concept of a biologically superior "white" race. That sounds like bullshit honestly. I haven't seen any evidence that white people specifically have "invented" racism instead of being a position of power for the most part. There's plenty of evidence that racism existed throughout the history…
It sounds that way to you because it goes against your beliefs. It doesn’t mean it’s wrong...
> I haven't seen any evidence that white people specifically have "invented" racism instead of being a position of power for the most part.
If you read History books, you will find plenty of evidence. It’s not hard to find. Nothing I wrote is particularly controversial among historians.
> There's plenty of evidence that racism existed throughout the history in all parts of the worlds
You’re thinking of bigotry, or prejudice. You are correct that it is present everywhere in the world. But it is not the same as racism (see my definition of racism above).
> and all the races are susceptible to it
Note that races are a pseudo-scientific concept. There is no such thing as “all the races” when talking about humanity as a whole. It’s as meaningless as saying “all the Hindu castes in the world”.
> it's just white ppl historically ended up being on top for the most part.
Yes, Europeans conquered most of the world, occupied it militarily, plundered its resources, enslaved, killed and displaced tens of millions of people, and invented the concept of “white people” as the superior race to justify it. As a result, much of the world’s wealth and power was redistributed to Europeans and their descendants, both in Europe and in their colonies.
If that’s what you mean by “being on top” then we are in agreement.
> To suggest that non-white people are somehow different and could not have possibly be racist or "invent" racism is to deny human nature and perpetuate the myth that the color of your skin makes you special albeit in a negative way in this case, and therefore is racist.
Again, you are confusing prejudice and racism. Sure, I guess anyone could have invented racism and spread it to half the planet. Any human group is biologically capable of doing that. Who cares? That statement applies equally to every historical fact. Any humans could have conquered the Mediterranean - but the Romans did. Any humans could have caused WW2 - but the Germans did. Any humans could have invented and spread racism - but the Europeans did.
> I like how readily every measurable statistically significant difference between races is readily attributed to racism without any attempt to explore multiple other possible explanations.
Oh, plenty of people have looked for other explanations. It’s just that they have failed to make a convincing case for them. By contrast, what I explained to you is supported by mountains of evidence and pretty much the entire scientific community. You might as well be looking for alternate explanations to global warming. But feel free to try!
Sure, the only possibly reason that the racial minority that that has been historically economically disadvantaged and repressed from advancing over generations has been poorer educated, engaged in more crime and less economically involved today would be racism.
I didn’t say it’s the only possible reason. It’s just the only reason supported by evidence and research.