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Re: Remote First at Quora

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Although I appreciate where your comment is coming from, namely her tenure at yahoo and probably tongue in cheek, people can change their views for genuine reasons and should, mostly, be admired when they do so. It takes courage to publicly admit that you are wrong

It's great when people admit when they have changed their mind and the reasons why - but a lot of "political" people simply change and never admit they recommended anything else.

Or, as in TFA, they say that circumstances have changes and their their previous position was 100% definitely right at the time.

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You lose the one huge opportunity in adult life for making new relationships - and that's at work, in the office. Eh, I met my wife at a running club. My longest-term friends were made prior to work. My current friends are mostly from cycling and camping. I'm not social with any of my co-workers. they do not feel identified with the company anymore. It's just a job. I felt this way when I was at the office, and I fee…

> My job funds the rest of my life. That's it. Why should I get attached to a job? Unrelated to the WFH vs. Office topic (WFH works for me, but I am an open source lifer and used to distributed community - and got amazing friendships out of it), but: This is a mindset I never understood or could relate to. Doesn't it make you depressed that you need to spend 8+ hours of your life on something you don't really care ab…

Doesn't it make you depressed that you need to spend 8+ hours of your life on something you don't really care about? It's time you don't get back, ever. For me the #1 req for a job is that I care and think it's worth doing, because it's part of my life.

The fact that you can't work at a place unless you get some shot of dopamine associated with the perception of "this is worth it" doesn't mean everyone has that particular hang-up.

Ultimately, what do you get out of "this is worth it"? You don't get anything. Or, rather, the important thing you get is a paycheck, just like everyone else.

You'll answer, "I get the satisfaction that..." That dopamine addiction isn't any more meaningful than a cigarette hit.

When our ancestors were out hunting mammoths I imagine there was one who said to the others, "I hate this shit. Don't you think we should be spending time doing something we like?" And his friend said "Meh. It's not bad, and I like to eat."

Re: Remote First at Quora

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> If you expect tech companies to keep paying SV salaries after they shift to remote-first, you’re in for a rude surprise. This isn’t a bad thing though. The world is bigger than SV or London.

Its where the industry and the associated capital clusters that matters.

Precisely

Re: Remote First at Quora

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"It depends" isn't a cop-out when it's true. Some situations benefit a lot from remote work. There's a reason why a lot of startups were going remote work first before COVID was even a thing. The issue is that IT is one of the few fields where a large portion of the work can be remotely created and evaluated, and a large percentage of the people on HN/Twitter/Tech Blogs happen to work in or around this industry. Prog…

As opposed to at best a smaller desk in a spare room. More likely your having to work by converting a kitchen table (wrong height) or your bed room if say you live in a 1 bed flat. Its even worse if your in a couple or a flat share where several people are competing for space and wifi

> More likely your having to work by converting a kitchen table (wrong height) or your bed room if say you live in a 1 bed flat.

> Its even worse if your in a couple or a flat share where several people are competing for space and wifi

Again, we refer back to "it depends". My partner and I live in a 2 bedroom apartment, we now have dedicated proper-sized desks in the living room and in the spare room.

Appreciate not everyone has the space to do that, but that's kinda the point. I'm not really an advocate for full time remote myself, I think agile working is the best of both worlds.

The company has an office with maybe 50% desk capacity for employees, then employees cycle in and out throughout the week on a cadence that suits them. Everything's still set up to be remote-first (virtual meetings, no massive in-person all-hands etc...) but you can choose to use an office or your home. Or a coffee shop, or an airport lounge, or a park, or...

(and in before "what if everyone comes in on the same day" - I used to work in a place that had 60% the number of desks for employees, I never once struggled to find a place to sit. To the extent they're subletting a whole floor due to lack of usage).

There's also nothing stopping companies paying a coworking stipend to those that want it in lieu of an office. And booking out a large conference hall once a year for everyone to come together.

Essentially, most things are at least semi-solvable and no decision on the future of work should be taken based solely on how we've currently set ourselves up.

Re: Remote First at Quora

#125

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It's great when people admit when they have changed their mind and the reasons why - but a lot of "political" people simply change and never admit they recommended anything else.

Or, as in TFA, they say that circumstances have changes and their their previous position was 100% definitely right at the time.

That's completely reasonable, but some people won't highlight that they have changed their mind as they think it makes them look weak.

Re: Remote First at Quora

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Working remotely has a very high cost, but it only gets visible in the long term. Working from home isolates you. There is no way around this. You lose the one huge opportunity in adult life for making new relationships - and that's at work, in the office. For the company, people that work remote start drifting away from the company vision and spirit - you get an army of people working individually most of the time,…

I work for a remote company (2 years now) and I just make friends elsewhere (typically neighbors and people I interact with outside of work day to day, as you'd expect). I actually find these friendships to be more fulfilling than work friendships.

I don't doubt lots of companies are providing terrible work from home experiences right now but if you're lucky to work for an all remote company from before COVID a lot of your criticism doesn't ring true for me at least. I'm sure there are people it just doesn't work for though, and I respect that might be the case for you. I just don't think a blanket statement "remote work doesn't work in the long term" is very likely to be true.

Re: Remote First at Quora

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post #116

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You lose the one huge opportunity in adult life for making new relationships - and that's at work, in the office. Eh, I met my wife at a running club. My longest-term friends were made prior to work. My current friends are mostly from cycling and camping. I'm not social with any of my co-workers. they do not feel identified with the company anymore. It's just a job. I felt this way when I was at the office, and I fee…

> My job funds the rest of my life. That's it. Why should I get attached to a job? Unrelated to the WFH vs. Office topic (WFH works for me, but I am an open source lifer and used to distributed community - and got amazing friendships out of it), but: This is a mindset I never understood or could relate to. Doesn't it make you depressed that you need to spend 8+ hours of your life on something you don't really care ab…

I don't dislike my job. I get to solve interesting problems, work with great people, and our particular niche within the broader software industry has more redeeming qualities than most.

I just don't feel particularly attached to it. If I was RIFed tomorrow, I'd be anxious about finding a new job, but wouldn't feel any great sense of loss.

FWIW, my career started in 1999, so I barely got my feet wet before the dot-bomb implosion (followed my 9/11, acquisition by a PE group, then 2008, then ownership change to another PE group, etc). It's blatantly obvious that C-level, BOD, etc only have the interests of their employees in mind while that happens to align with their own self-interest. I'm just a cog in the machine. I'm ok with that - I'm a well paid cog and it lets me do things like travel the world, buy expensive toys, and live on a golf course.

Yeah, I hate the loss of time, but haven't found a good alternative. I don't want my hobbies to become work - I think I'd just end up hating them.

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