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Re: Google adds "Black-owned" business attribute to local listings

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Post by brandmeyer »

zapita wrote: post #57
dathinab wrote: post #31

So Google went accidentally racist again? Because the moment you treat someone different because of things like skin color it's racist, you know. Doesn't matter if it's a preferred or discriminatory treatment because any preferable treatment for one group of people based on race is a discrimination against all other.

Your definition of racism is incorrect. Racism is a hierarchical caste system based on a pseudo-scientific classification of people into races. The dominant form of racism, invented in Europe and exported all over the world via colonization and slavery, is built on the concept of a biologically superior "white" race. This form of racism, also known as white supremacy, is deeply embedded in the societies and instituti…

Institutional racism flows from individual acts of racism. Individual acts like this serve only to create a new institution of racism.

Re: Google adds "Black-owned" business attribute to local listings

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Post by pcbro141 »

kyboren wrote: post #56
pcbro141 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think since America's centuries of legalized racism affects every Black American living today, every Black American deserves some form of remedy. I also think it's best for America long term (in terms of stability and growth) to make things right with Black America including economically. It's not good for America's stability to let the racial wealth gap stay the same as it was in the 1950s days of legal racism.

Why don't you just say it in plain English: You want cash reparations. At least you did in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24005344 > It's not good for America's stability to let the racial wealth gap stay the same as it was in the 1950s days of legal racism. I think there are few policies more likely to (further) destabilize American politics than cash payments to people with a certain skin color.

I'm in favor of cash payments and other investment for Black Americans to correct the centuries of extensive, targeted legalized racism against Black America. We need a Marshall Plan for Black America badly. Build up Black America after centuries of war against them like we rebuilt Japan and Europe after World War 2.

I agree with you that there would be a severe political backlash, especially among members of Trump's base. I still think significant investment into Black communities is badly needed regardless of the backlash and is in the best interest of the US in terms of social stability and economic growth. It's not good strategically to let wealth gaps stay the same or grow, it seems to increase the risk of conflict to let such massive inequality remain.

Re: Google adds "Black-owned" business attribute to local listings

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Post by albacur »

pcbro141 wrote: post #53
bjt2n3904 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Other races" don't get special labels on their businesses. Putting tags like "Women Owned" de-legitimizes the owner. It makes women owned business seem stigmatized, as if it's unusual or especially notable. It strips them of their dignity.

And white men don't get affirmative action. And how come there's no White History Month? (sarcasm)

And native peoples don’t get labels on their businesses, despite centuries of mistreatment. Growth of Hispanic-owned businesses has been slow In the US, and it’s likely caused by socioeconomic conditions. Should these groups get a special label? Who gets to decide which groups get a label?

Re: Google adds "Black-owned" business attribute to local listings

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Post by albacur »

baddox wrote: post #3
eloff wrote: post #2

Is this a good thing? Why should I care about the skin color of the owner of a restaurant or business I'm thinking of going to?

I don't think you need to look for a "should." The article says: > Google said it has seen “a surge in online searches for Black-owned businesses” in recent months So it seems like a feature Google decided is useful for its visitors in the same way that a business' address, operating hours, and reviews are useful for its visitors.

By that logic, if they saw a surge of interest in white-owned businesses, it would be justified adding a “white-owned business” label.

I think we can say “segregating people based on skin color is wrong in principle,” or “segregating people is acceptable if it benefits those who are disadvantaged,” but I don’t see segregating races based on search interest as a reasonable policy.

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Post by pcbro141 »

albacur wrote: post #64
pcbro141 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And white men don't get affirmative action. And how come there's no White History Month? (sarcasm)

And native peoples don’t get labels on their businesses, despite centuries of mistreatment. Growth of Hispanic-owned businesses has been slow In the US, and it’s likely caused by socioeconomic conditions. Should these groups get a special label? Who gets to decide which groups get a label?

I'm strongly in favor of remedies for the harm caused to Native Americans as well, I was happy to see half of Oklahoma declared a reservation legally recently. They are definitely also a group who was unfairly targeted and deserves specific remedy too.

Re: Google adds "Black-owned" business attribute to local listings

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Post by baryphonic »

sleepinseattle wrote: post #32
BluSyn wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to "Anti-racists", MLK's dream of "judging people by the content of their character" is now a racist dog-whistle. Not sure when, but eventually the shoe must drop and people realize this so-called "Anti-racism" is an incredibly racist ideology. This is not progress.

That’s a glib interpretation. And you’re pushing the same anti- affirmative action viewpoint that has maintained racial inequities.

Certainly the effectiveness of affirmative action is independent of a consensus around affirmative action's effectiveness.

Affirmative action is a widespread policy and has been for decades. Is its effectiveness now conditioned on consensus that the policy is effective? That is a ridiculous rhetorical trap: If anyone expresses mere skepticism that affirmative action has not been effective, then that person is by construction the cause of its failure; conversely, if everyone does agree that affirmative action is effective, yet disparities have persisted (by just about any measure), then everyone is lying to themselves and one another in order to achieve a political consensus that perpetuates the struggles of black Americans (note a parallel to the rhetoric from supporters of Jim Crow, "the peculiar institution" and various progressive "scientific racism" programs like eugenics). I'd consider the latter scenario downright evil.

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Post by ironmagma »

sleepinseattle wrote: post #50
lucaspm98 wrote: post #48

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Affirmative action as currently implemented based primarily on race is just as bad, shifting the inequality of opportunity at best. White people of low socioeconomic status are disadvantaged while people of color with high socioeconomic status unfairly benefit. The idea of affirmative action and “anti-racist” policies are fundamentally fine, but it’s almost completely socially unacceptable to disagree with the popula…

Racial inequity is socially unacceptable. That’s the whole damn point.

The question is how you fix it though, and not all answers to that question are acceptable either.

Re: Google adds "Black-owned" business attribute to local listings

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Post by ironmagma »

sleepinseattle wrote: post #32
BluSyn wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to "Anti-racists", MLK's dream of "judging people by the content of their character" is now a racist dog-whistle. Not sure when, but eventually the shoe must drop and people realize this so-called "Anti-racism" is an incredibly racist ideology. This is not progress.

That’s a glib interpretation. And you’re pushing the same anti- affirmative action viewpoint that has maintained racial inequities.

Where is the evidence that being against affirmative action is responsible for maintaining racial inequities? Because that is quite a extraordinary claim, given that we have maintained racial inequities far longer than affirmative action has been popular.

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Post by baddox »

albacur wrote: post #65
baddox wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you need to look for a "should." The article says: > Google said it has seen “a surge in online searches for Black-owned businesses” in recent months So it seems like a feature Google decided is useful for its visitors in the same way that a business' address, operating hours, and reviews are useful for its visitors.

By that logic, if they saw a surge of interest in white-owned businesses, it would be justified adding a “white-owned business” label. I think we can say “segregating people based on skin color is wrong in principle,” or “segregating people is acceptable if it benefits those who are disadvantaged,” but I don’t see segregating races based on search interest as a reasonable policy.

“Segregation” means “forced separation,” but you seem to be using it to mean “recognizition of any distinction.”
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