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Google adds "Black-owned" business attribute to local listings

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Re: Google adds "Black-owned" business attribute to local listings

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This is getting really frustrating. How many tech company equity-based judgement calls are we going to be subjected to, that will not be extended to other groups that aren't the popular favorites of the moment? How about tags for restaurants owned by poor immigrants? Or how about veterans? Or people who are their family's first people to go to college? When are we done with this moment, or when does the equity get ex…

Apparently, veteran-led and women-led are already available as tags.

Re: Google adds "Black-owned" business attribute to local listings

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It's less intrusive than spamming my Google assistant quick actions with an undismissable "black lives matter" button for the last couple weeks. When tapped, it affirms BLM solidarity vow. My phone region wasn't even North America. More ontopic, wonder if this will be extended to other minorities. Easy way to filter out actually Mexican owned taco shops. Or Japanese owned sushi. What let's go full political, what if…

> My phone region wasn't even North America. The spread of US internal issues to the rest of the world is quite frightening to be honest. A social unrest in North America has way, way more influence in Europeans countries than our own local issues (I'm in the EU), and both our news and politicians react quickly to it, even though US problems are mostly irrelevant here. Even without living close to America, or try to…

Basically. The world can't even get competent contact tracing apps running because it must comform to US / Silicon Valley privacy standards. Google/Apple rebuffing sovereign governments to implement more granular models, because it'll open domestic privacy pandora's box. They're too big for America, let alone the rest of the world.

Re: Google adds "Black-owned" business attribute to local listings

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's acceptable to elevate Black people to be on the same level as other races in America as opposed to disadvantaged. I actually think Black America is owed a lot more than what Google is doing here after centuries of legalized racism and being shut out of building wealth, but that's the US government that owes them.

"Other races" don't get special labels on their businesses. Putting tags like "Women Owned" de-legitimizes the owner. It makes women owned business seem stigmatized, as if it's unusual or especially notable. It strips them of their dignity.

And white men don't get affirmative action. And how come there's no White History Month?

(sarcasm)

Re: Google adds "Black-owned" business attribute to local listings

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really don’t see how elevating a single race over others might be an issue?

I think it's acceptable to elevate Black people to be on the same level as other races in America as opposed to disadvantaged. I actually think Black America is owed a lot more than what Google is doing here after centuries of legalized racism and being shut out of building wealth, but that's the US government that owes them.

The only way they can be on the same level is if they are not labeled based on the race of the owner. Emphasizing black ownership or any other attribute can only either add advantage over other groups or be a disadvantage. There is no good outcome possible other than it doesn’t affect anything, at which point what’s the point?

Re: Google adds "Black-owned" business attribute to local listings

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In contrast to most of the comments here, I like this.

Earlier this year, I watched the first episode of Trigger Warning with Killer Mike (Netflix). In this episode he tried to spend a few days putting money only into black-owned businesses... It was a hard experience for him, and since then I have tried to be conscious of where my money goes, and if I have the option of selecting a black owned business intend to do so, and I am happy that there is an easy way for me to do that.

Re: Google adds "Black-owned" business attribute to local listings

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I should think, perhaps by helping individual people instead. If someone is poor then someone might help them, I suppose. Then it won't be racist, it will be individualistic, it would seem. Hiring someone for the job should be decided on if they are competent at that job, not on other criteria such as black, white, men, women, taller, religious, etc, unless that is relevant for this kind of job (such as acting in a m…

I think since America's centuries of legalized racism affects every Black American living today, every Black American deserves some form of remedy. I also think it's best for America long term (in terms of stability and growth) to make things right with Black America including economically. It's not good for America's stability to let the racial wealth gap stay the same as it was in the 1950s days of legal racism.

Why don't you just say it in plain English: You want cash reparations. At least you did in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24005344

> It's not good for America's stability to let the racial wealth gap stay the same as it was in the 1950s days of legal racism.

I think there are few policies more likely to (further) destabilize American politics than cash payments to people with a certain skin color.

Re: Google adds "Black-owned" business attribute to local listings

#57

So Google went accidentally racist again? Because the moment you treat someone different because of things like skin color it's racist, you know. Doesn't matter if it's a preferred or discriminatory treatment because any preferable treatment for one group of people based on race is a discrimination against all other.

Your definition of racism is incorrect.

Racism is a hierarchical caste system based on a pseudo-scientific classification of people into races. The dominant form of racism, invented in Europe and exported all over the world via colonization and slavery, is built on the concept of a biologically superior "white" race. This form of racism, also known as white supremacy, is deeply embedded in the societies and institutions of European countries and their former colonies. The United States are no different.

In the United States specifically, Black people are in a special position, because their very existence as a group is the result of colonization and slavery. Their existence is a physical reminder of the racist origins of the US. And the injustice they continue to endure in the United States today - including of course police violence, but also housing discrimination, discrimination in the workplace, excessive incarceration, restricted voting rights, restricted access to healthcare and education, etc. - are a reminder of the fact that racism is still, today, deeply embedded in US institutions.

One consequence of this, in the US, is that there are few Black-owned businesses relative to the population, and as a result, Black people have less access to equity. Because equity is the primary mechanism for wealth increase in the US, and is taxed very favorably compared to wages, this means that Black people are not able to benefit from economic growth at the same rate as the rest of population. This is a self-reinforcing problem because a Black entrepreneur is much less likely to receive an investment from a bank or VC than a white entrepreneur of similar experience and risk profile.

This is a widely known problem, and one commonly proposed solution, if the US finance system won't invest in Black businesses, is for Black people to "invest in themselves", so to speak, by choosing to buy from Back-owned businesses whenever possible. So this is primarily about helping Black people support each other, in the absence of US institutions not supporting them appropriately.

Re: Google adds "Black-owned" business attribute to local listings

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you need to look for a "should." The article says: > Google said it has seen “a surge in online searches for Black-owned businesses” in recent months So it seems like a feature Google decided is useful for its visitors in the same way that a business' address, operating hours, and reviews are useful for its visitors.

Google isn't the first, I believe it was Grubhub that did this earlier and there may have been others I'm not aware of.

The US government also has a similar distinction:

https://www.sba.gov/category/business-groups/minority-owned

Re: Google adds "Black-owned" business attribute to local listings

#60
I'm seeing many comments calling this initiative "racist", or at least going against the principles of all people being equal, etc. This is incorrect!

Racism is a hierarchical caste system based on a pseudo-scientific classification of people into races. The dominant form of racism, invented in Europe and exported all over the world via colonization and slavery, is built on the concept of a biologically superior "white" race. This form of racism, also known as white supremacy, is deeply embedded in the societies and institutions of European countries and their former colonies. The United States are no different.

In the United States specifically, Black people are in a special position, because their very existence as a group is the result of colonization and slavery. Their existence is a physical reminder of the racist origins of the US. And the injustice they continue to endure in the United States today - including of course police violence, but also housing discrimination, discrimination in the workplace, excessive incarceration, restricted voting rights, restricted access to healthcare and education, etc. - are a reminder of the fact that racism is still, today, deeply embedded in US institutions.

One consequence of this, in the US, is that there are few Black-owned businesses relative to the population, and as a result, Black people have less access to equity. Because equity is the primary mechanism for wealth increase in the US, and is taxed very favorably compared to wages, this means that Black people are not able to benefit from economic growth at the same rate as the rest of population. This is a self-reinforcing problem because a Black entrepreneur is much less likely to receive an investment from a bank or VC than a white entrepreneur of similar experience and risk profile.

This is a widely known problem, and one commonly proposed solution, if the US finance system won't invest in Black businesses, is for Black people to "invest in themselves", so to speak, by choosing to buy from Back-owned businesses whenever possible. So this is primarily about helping Black people support each other, in the absence of US institutions not supporting them appropriately.

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