No matter your position on this, please take a moment to watch the excellent response by Charles Hoskinson.
The Haskell Elephant in the Room
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Re: The Haskell Elephant in the Room
#262If you search for Haskel jobs a large number seem to be block chain based.
When you look further a lot seem to be around smart contracts.
If you are interested in language design smart contracts are an interesting research area, you are basically getting paid well to design and research your own language.
What I fail to see is any viable product on the other end. There’s a few companies I can think off who have been recruiting Haskel developers for smart contracts but I can’t see a product, devs are just taking paid work in a language they like using and these companies are sucking up vc funding.
I refuse to speak to recruiters about a blockchain company heavily recruiting where I am as I am not smart enough for language design/research and more importantly I don’t see a viable product. I know a few other friends/colleagues refuse to speak to the same company due to being blockchain/not seeing a product. When I see things like this it also reaffirms my thoughts, VC backed companies heavily pushing through blockchain but it’s not a ready product https://smallcaps.com.au/asx-delays-launch-blockchain-settle...
Re: The Haskell Elephant in the Room
#263Cryptocurrency enables people to make anonymous monetary transactions. Also, so does cash. Drug dealers and criminals still very much prefer cash. Is it wrong to work with certain traditional finance companies because of their association with cash? Should we be worried about users associating your favorite language with the seedy world of cash transactions which subvert the traditional role and spying capacity of la…
Hold on. The idea that a means of exchange can be used to purchase seedy or illegal goods is not the problem the author has with cryptocurrencies. The issue is VERY clearly stated - there's a loosely-regulated industry riddled with companies that are pushing essentially scam investments. The author is concerned that these companies are beginning to fund enough Haskell development that it's worth questioning whether they want to be associated with such an industry.
I think this is totally valid to question. To brush it off entirely as a non-issue, unworthy of even a moment's thought, is extremely peculiar.
Re: The Haskell Elephant in the Room
#264Cryptocurrency enables people to make anonymous monetary transactions. Also, so does cash. Drug dealers and criminals still very much prefer cash. Is it wrong to work with certain traditional finance companies because of their association with cash? Should we be worried about users associating your favorite language with the seedy world of cash transactions which subvert the traditional role and spying capacity of la…
> worried about users associating your favorite language with the seedy world of cash transactions
when did we start calling cash transactions seedy? you own a pub, somebody pays in cash is automatically seedy? let's maybe look into offshore banking and US offshore jurisdictions such as New Mexico, Delaware and Nevada first (tax havens in our midst) before bringing out the guns on the little people who have a bad line of credit or are unable to pay by card?
Re: The Haskell Elephant in the Room
#265Cryptocurrency enables people to make anonymous monetary transactions. Also, so does cash. Drug dealers and criminals still very much prefer cash. Is it wrong to work with certain traditional finance companies because of their association with cash? Should we be worried about users associating your favorite language with the seedy world of cash transactions which subvert the traditional role and spying capacity of la…
> worried about users associating your favorite language with the seedy world of cash transactions when did we start calling cash transactions seedy? you own a pub, somebody pays in cash is automatically seedy? let's maybe look into offshore banking and US offshore jurisdictions such as New Mexico, Delaware and Nevada first (tax havens in our midst) before bringing out the guns on the little people who have a bad lin…
GP was obviously joking, trying to show that crypto-currencies are no different than cash, so anyone who calls crypto-currencies 'seedy' would also have to consider cash 'seedy'.
However, crypto-currencies are in reality not like cash, because fat more than being an anonymous medium of exchange, they are in fact mostly an unregulated speculative investment, and unregulated speculative investments are, in fact, quite seedy.
Re: The Haskell Elephant in the Room
#266Earlier quoted context omitted.
The "What is happening?" and "How is it happening?" sections of the article spend 900 words differentiating legal financial services from cryptocurrency scams.
"Legal financial services are bailed out by the state when they destroy the economy, cryptocurrencies don't do that" doesn't take 900 words.
Except when they do get bailed out. Eth.
Re: The Haskell Elephant in the Room
#267Earlier quoted context omitted.
The "What is happening?" and "How is it happening?" sections of the article spend 900 words differentiating legal financial services from cryptocurrency scams.
I disagree with the idea that traditional legal financial services commit less fraud than cryptocurrency scams do. They just get away with it easier. > Normally these frauds are recognized for what they are quite quickly and the courts and regulatory bodies can clean up the mess and rectify the damages to those who have been misled That just comes off as total BS to me. How many regular people were awarded damages af…
> regulatory bodies can clean up the mess and rectify the damages to those who have been misled
That seems true. The system relevant banks got their bailout. Regular people OTOHS are not system relevant. So everything's fine. /s
Re: The Haskell Elephant in the Room
#268Rebuttal by Founder of Cardano https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHo_EUyShOg
Re: The Haskell Elephant in the Room
#269Earlier quoted context omitted.
"The first fully functioning electronic digital computer to be built in the U.S. was ENIAC, constructed at the Moore School of Electrical Engineering, University of Pennsylvania, for the Army Ordnance Department, by J. Presper Eckert and John Mauchly. Completed in 1945, ENIAC was somewhat similar to the earlier Colossus, but considerably larger and more flexible (although far from general-purpose). The primary functi…
> to be built in the U.S. What about the global situation? Is it the same?
The UK had Colossus a bit earlier, which I believe was the first fully electronic digital computer.
Re: The Haskell Elephant in the Room
#270Cryptocurrency enables people to make anonymous monetary transactions. Also, so does cash. Drug dealers and criminals still very much prefer cash. Is it wrong to work with certain traditional finance companies because of their association with cash? Should we be worried about users associating your favorite language with the seedy world of cash transactions which subvert the traditional role and spying capacity of la…
It's worth noting that the author's company is in the private blockchain field, complete with a smart contract language under their belt, in Haskell.
Indeed, it's not the first time that a private blockchain partisan has attempted to tar all of "public" blockchain/crypto as a lawless amoral cesspool. R3 made similar claims in years past. In truth, there's been equal or more FUD thrown at private by public zealots too. But it's not confidence-inspiring to see this kind of tribalism, and it speaks to a conflict of interest (at least in R3's case, who were signalling to governments that "private is safer").
The broad brush is FUD. There are any number of crypto efforts that are not fraudulent. Grin and zcash come to mind. Ethereum itself is hardly a criminal effort. The claim that this technology has not advanced the field is simply laughable. Sure, there's a lot of technobabble and money being raised around nothing, what else is new.
Anybody in the fintech industry pointing fingers at crypto need to take a look in the mirror. Crypto is a tiny speck compared to the modern financial system. That's not to excuse fraud and shady stuff, but companies servicing hedge funds, private equity and megabanks have zero moral ground from which to point fingers.