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#31

Remote is the new cool word for off-shoring. Companies don’t decide to radically change their work structure just because it seems like a nice idea. If you expect tech companies to keep paying SV salaries after they shift to remote-first, you’re in for a rude surprise.

> If you expect tech companies to keep paying SV salaries after they shift to remote-first, you’re in for a rude surprise.

This isn’t a bad thing though. The world is bigger than SV or London.

Re: Remote First at Quora

#32
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been waiting for Marissa Mayer to launch a remote working technology startup, since March.

Although I appreciate where your comment is coming from, namely her tenure at yahoo and probably tongue in cheek, people can change their views for genuine reasons and should, mostly, be admired when they do so. It takes courage to publicly admit that you are wrong

Nah, aligning with the trends is anything but courageous and admirable. Especially if one was very vocal about opposing them. Double especially if the move is out of one's control.

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#33

It's amazing to me how many people and companies who have been forced to work remotely for the first time in their lives are suddenly the experts on it.

If you have some valuable knowledge about remote work, please post it. But I don’t see any reason to demand that everyone should be an expert on remote work before we allow them to share their experiences and thoughts about this thing that we’ve been going through.

I think the point is, that these type of articles are like fairy tales. I wouldn't be surprised if Quora would be the first to announce an in-office only policy when the pandemic is over. If it turns out so, then the whole interview and the post is worthless. That's why time and long experience/exposure matters.

Re: Remote First at Quora

#34

Remote is the new cool word for off-shoring. Companies don’t decide to radically change their work structure just because it seems like a nice idea. If you expect tech companies to keep paying SV salaries after they shift to remote-first, you’re in for a rude surprise.

> If you expect tech companies to keep paying SV salaries after they shift to remote-first, you’re in for a rude surprise. This isn’t a bad thing though. The world is bigger than SV or London.

No, of course not, but I’m suggesting that “our company is going remote” will be used to functionally offshore jobs. Offshoring to X is socially unpopular, while We have an international remote team is cool and hip.

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#35

It's amazing to me how many people and companies who have been forced to work remotely for the first time in their lives are suddenly the experts on it.

If you have some valuable knowledge about remote work, please post it. But I don’t see any reason to demand that everyone should be an expert on remote work before we allow them to share their experiences and thoughts about this thing that we’ve been going through.

I've been working remotely full-time since 2014, and now I run a company and employ people (mostly programmers) around the world. We've been remote since day zero.

Any valuable knowledge I have about remote work would be eclipsed by the Remote book written by the Basecamp guys, so that's what I'd recommend people read. What I'm reacting to here is the hubris of some people (especially on my LinkedIn feed) to not just share experience but actually give advice on a topic they're completely new to.

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#36
I was (and still am) averse to long term WFH but, my child was born in December so, as you expect, WFH has been a temporary godsend for me.

I guess it's also forcing me to learn how to WFH by minimizing the costs many here have pointed out.

Ps. although all other restrictions and societal impacts of strict lockdown is making this a bittersweet moment.

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#37
>I'm surprise that so many people couldn't figure this out without being forced to try it against their will.

Oh they could, but they knew they'd lose the political games that come with offices and which are a favourite of middle management.

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post #10

Working remotely has a very high cost, but it only gets visible in the long term. Working from home isolates you. There is no way around this. You lose the one huge opportunity in adult life for making new relationships - and that's at work, in the office. For the company, people that work remote start drifting away from the company vision and spirit - you get an army of people working individually most of the time,…

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Re: Remote First at Quora

#39

Remote is the new cool word for off-shoring. Companies don’t decide to radically change their work structure just because it seems like a nice idea. If you expect tech companies to keep paying SV salaries after they shift to remote-first, you’re in for a rude surprise.

I would be more surprised if tech companies stick to remote work first. Remote work has been doable in tech for a long time. However, it comes with the same issues as off-shoring - in particular, how do you know that the person you hired is competent, committed, and honest?

Yes, there are ways to answer all three of these questions, but I'm not sure if there's a way that's simple, non-invasive, and scalable in organizations dealing with lowest-common-denominator challenges. Many startups and smaller IT companies were already doing remote work before COVID - but, let's face it, many of these companies also had a small enough footprint in terms of head count and job diversity that it was possible for them to manage 10-100 remote employees without running into major issues.

How do you do the same with 5K-10K employees? Yes, FAANG is taking a shot at it, but they also have the benefit of hiring their pick of top-level, motivated talent. Google and Facebook, at least, also have revenue streams that are resilient enough to survive massive mistakes purely through inertia.

This is an interesting natural experiment. I'm glad that it's forcing companies to reassess how they do business. However, I don't know if remote work first is going to persist after the pandemic.

Re: Remote First at Quora

#40

Remote is the new cool word for off-shoring. Companies don’t decide to radically change their work structure just because it seems like a nice idea. If you expect tech companies to keep paying SV salaries after they shift to remote-first, you’re in for a rude surprise.

And if you expect talent to seek out those companies, they're in for a rude surprise.

I think the OPs main point is that salary is as much a function of location as it is talent. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be able to move to Silicon Valley.
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