Call me crazy but I would really like a ncurses spreadsheet.
My first exposure to lotus 123 was what looked like a ncurses interface!
Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet
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Re: Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sharing and collaborative editing. Being able to coordinate some process via a shared spreadsheet in a browser is efficient and resolves all issues of conflicting versions. Think of an overview of who is going to the office on which days this week (useful in times of working from home due to Corona). Responsiveness is not the primary concern here: good enough is fine for most purposes. This is not a replacement for a…
Interesting to note that cloud storage and realtime collaboration isn’t 100% tied to a browser-based interface though. Even though many existing apps work like that, there are desktop clients for a bunch of cloud-native SaaS (and even though some of those are Electron).
Regular desktop Excel supports multi user collaboration on workbooks saved in onedrive exactly the same as excel online/Google sheets etc do. You can see what other users are working on and their changes are synced instantly. The only annoyance is when one user changes a filter and it changes for everyone.
Re: Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet
#63I still cannot wrap my head around why so many folks want to use such applications in a web browser. For me, web browser applications never reach the responsiveness and ease of use of well crafted desktop applications written in any decent systems programming language or even interpreted languages (not speaking of Javascript). Maybe I am getting old, but having the browser as a platform for programs is huge setback f…
No installation Multiple tabs/windows Don't leave the browser Works-at-all on multiple platforms incl mobile Deep linking / sharing / bookmarking App freezes are less common (on network access) and easier to manage when they happen - obviously this is anecdotal and not universal.
More importantly (for Google sheets):
Easy to share
No need to backup
Cross platform (works on Linux)
Re: Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet
#64I still cannot wrap my head around why so many folks want to use such applications in a web browser. For me, web browser applications never reach the responsiveness and ease of use of well crafted desktop applications written in any decent systems programming language or even interpreted languages (not speaking of Javascript). Maybe I am getting old, but having the browser as a platform for programs is huge setback f…
I am a big fan and user of keyboard shortcuts, and web apps make
using those either weird and inconsistent with what you'd
expect, or simply impossible. A user interface without support
for keyboard shortcuts is not viable for productive use imho.
Web apps built with modern frameworks often can't even be used by Vim plugins in the browser, either because scrolling doesn't work, or the frameworks and scripts do so much black magic in the background that not a single button in the GUI is recognised as clickable element by the Vim plugin. Broken by design.
Not to mention all the performance issues and productivity blockers thanks to tracking, no support for right click(and its context menus) etc., instead we get animations which also add input lag to everything because it looks fancy.
Re: Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet
#65I still cannot wrap my head around why so many folks want to use such applications in a web browser. For me, web browser applications never reach the responsiveness and ease of use of well crafted desktop applications written in any decent systems programming language or even interpreted languages (not speaking of Javascript). Maybe I am getting old, but having the browser as a platform for programs is huge setback f…
No installation Multiple tabs/windows Don't leave the browser Works-at-all on multiple platforms incl mobile Deep linking / sharing / bookmarking App freezes are less common (on network access) and easier to manage when they happen - obviously this is anecdotal and not universal.
Registration/Login required(I'll take the installation over that
in many cases)
No properly working (or even implemented) keyboard shortcuts; I just tried, Google Sheets tells me to use Ctrl+C etc. but it doesn't do anything, and what's even worse is that the menu item for "insert" doesn't do anything either because Google wants to force me to use the dysfunctional keybinding...thanks I guess
Usually no right click + context menu
Input lag
No offline use possible(remember all the MS/Cloudflare/AWS etc. outages?)
Less control over data, privacy issues
Re: Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
No installation Multiple tabs/windows Don't leave the browser Works-at-all on multiple platforms incl mobile Deep linking / sharing / bookmarking App freezes are less common (on network access) and easier to manage when they happen - obviously this is anecdotal and not universal.
More importantly (for Google sheets): Easy to share No need to backup Cross platform (works on Linux)
> No need to backup
You trust Google etc. to never ban your account for any reason, or to stay available 100% of the time without outages?
Re: Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet
#67This is really impressive and all, but we already have a pretty good open source online spreadsheet editor by OnlyOffice and I can't help thinking where we could be if the (I imagine) pretty significant amount of work that went into this was put into improving an existing solution...
Realistically it's not possible to "just" work on something else like that.
The work is very different. The work to make a new product like this is completely different from the work to improve an existing, large, established behemoth of a project that has a large number of users. It's a software lifecycle thing, analogous to the difference between spinning up a mini startup, and working for a settled big company with tens of thousands of co-workers.
Perhaps the big product would be better if everyone worked on it, but you're talking about unpaid authors, doing what they enjoy in their free time, often for fun.
What's the reward to the unpaid author of refining the existing, established, behemoth of a solution?
They aren't going to be able to try out their own big new ideas or do any significant architectural design that way.
They aren't going to be able to take it in a new direction, because the existing tool has a lot of users so can't change that much.
They aren't guaranteed that what they want to work on, or what they want to see as features (maybe to use for themselves) would be accepted upstream.
They aren't going to be able to change anything that existing users depend on really. For example if they wanted to try a different syntax for formulas, or a different editing paradigm.
They aren't likely to end up with something they can point at when asked what they spent all their free time working on. Contributing to such a large project, if they enjoy doing it that's great, but nobody outside a small group of people will associate them personally with their bit of work - unlike an independent project, if that gets a reputation.
They also have no chance of monetising their work later, if that's what they choose to try to do in future. Or more likely, to make a commercial branch.
For some people, that kind of work on an established project like that suits them. But it's completely unsatisfying kind of work for other people. It's not reasonable to pressure them, through oblique criticism, into doing it unpaid if they wouldn't enjoy it.
Re: Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
No installation Multiple tabs/windows Don't leave the browser Works-at-all on multiple platforms incl mobile Deep linking / sharing / bookmarking App freezes are less common (on network access) and easier to manage when they happen - obviously this is anecdotal and not universal.
Registration/Login required(I'll take the installation over that in many cases) No properly working (or even implemented) keyboard shortcuts; I just tried, Google Sheets tells me to use Ctrl+C etc. but it doesn't do anything, and what's even worse is that the menu item for "insert" doesn't do anything either because Google wants to force me to use the dysfunctional keybinding...thanks I guess Usually no right click +…
It's an open source tool that you can self host, having none of the problems, or add to your application and when you're doing that, all of what you said already applies.
But yeah, I get why you prefer native programs - I do as well. But the web ones have their place too.
Btw context menu is in google sheets for a long time - I wanted to say a decade, but it might be a little less.
Re: Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet
#69I wish people wouldn't copy Excel (or Google apps for that matter). Those spreadsheets are terrible . It still baffles me that none of them can do sideways scrolling correctly, they are all incredibly awkward to edit, the formulae are fundamental to how they work yet hidden and obscure, they do weird "magical" stuff to strings like turning them into numbers or dates when you didn't ask, etc. I'd really like to see pe…
When you say 'has the functionality of a spreadsheet but looks nothing like current spreadsheets', what do you mean?
I am working on Mesh Spreadsheet. It gives you a spreadsheet UI that writes code as text. It will likely use k9 as the formula language once it matures, but:
- you can try the JavaScript prototype at this link: http://mesh-spreadsheet.com
- you can see a proof of concept video using k here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEG9pFNYBCI
Re: Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet
#70Call me crazy but I would really like a ncurses spreadsheet.
https://github.com/andmarti1424/sc-im
SC-IM - Spreadsheet Calculator Improvised -- An ncurses spreadsheet program for terminal