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Re: The Electric Car Atop Europe’s Sales Charts Isn’t a Tesla or VW

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Post by wink » Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 7:32 AM UTC

Markoff wrote: post #168

r00fus wrote: post #161

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The problem with bikes in big cities is parking and theft. Stealing an auto is a felony while a bike theft doesn’t even get marginal attention form law enforcement. Sorry to say but we’ll need some large policy shifts to support ebikes despite how perfect they’d be.

you must live in odd country, here in Czechia is felony stealing of subject with "more than insignificant value" (read more than 200EUR although last year they wanted to raise it to 400EUR, not sure if they succeeded) regardless what is the subject, so while stealing old used car valued at 199EUR is misdemeanor (contravention), stealing bike worth 300EUR is crime I don't think they would really treat cars differently…

Can't comment on OP's country, but here in Germany while technically different, in practice it's the same

Car gets stolen: often the case is solved, license plates help, etc.pp

Bike gets stolen: Police take the report, often blame you it's your own fault that you didn't properly lock it (happened to me twice), usually doesn't get solved even if you have the number. It's worth the hassle to report it but the chnace of getting it back are close to zero.

Re: The Electric Car Atop Europe’s Sales Charts Isn’t a Tesla or VW

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Post by wink » Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 7:33 AM UTC

brnt wrote: post #40

maeln wrote: post #16

It's honestly not a surprise. The European market favor smaller car way more than the American one. You just have to see the sheer number of 206, Twingo & Clio on the road. I still see some Tesla, but usually it is a status symbol, people who just want an electric car usually go for the Nissan Leaf or the Renault Zoe.

This. Commute cars are Aygos and Ups, not two ton sedans. The (original) Tesla is one of the largest vehicles you'll see around here, only beaten by the hughest SUVs. And the commute market is where people buy electric, so that doesn't match at all. Anecdatally the only people I know with Teslas are rich enough they have it as one of their cars, as an extra to see what it is all about. Very few buy it instead of thei…

I must admit I live in Munich but the amount of commuting BMWs is simply astonishing. They simply can't ALL work for BMW ;)

Re: The Electric Car Atop Europe’s Sales Charts Isn’t a Tesla or VW

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Post by Markoff » Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 11:48 AM UTC

wink wrote: post #171

Markoff wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you must live in odd country, here in Czechia is felony stealing of subject with "more than insignificant value" (read more than 200EUR although last year they wanted to raise it to 400EUR, not sure if they succeeded) regardless what is the subject, so while stealing old used car valued at 199EUR is misdemeanor (contravention), stealing bike worth 300EUR is crime I don't think they would really treat cars differently…

Can't comment on OP's country, but here in Germany while technically different, in practice it's the same Car gets stolen: often the case is solved, license plates help, etc.pp Bike gets stolen: Police take the report, often blame you it's your own fault that you didn't properly lock it (happened to me twice), usually doesn't get solved even if you have the number. It's worth the hassle to report it but the chnace of…

> Car gets stolen: often the case is solved, license plates help, etc.pp

Are you sure stolen car is "often" found? Here in Czechia they find like 20% stolen cars, bikes will be worse but not that much worse since 20 is already quite close to 0 anyway.

Re: The Electric Car Atop Europe’s Sales Charts Isn’t a Tesla or VW

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Post by csunbird » Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 1:50 PM UTC

bipson wrote: post #35

maeln wrote: post #16

It's honestly not a surprise. The European market favor smaller car way more than the American one. You just have to see the sheer number of 206, Twingo & Clio on the road. I still see some Tesla, but usually it is a status symbol, people who just want an electric car usually go for the Nissan Leaf or the Renault Zoe.

That's one explanation that focuses on the differences between European an American markets. But also, the Zoe is is in the affordable range for people looking for an electric car in non-massively-subsidized markets (Norway, Denmark), while VWs and Teslas are rather in the luxury range. The amount of car (utility & status & luxury) I get for Tesla or VW money in e.g. Germany, makes most prospective customers buy eith…

I seriously can not consider putting 45k Euros myself to a car, when I can buy a mid size sedan or a hatchback for 20k Euros less (unused!).

Re: The Electric Car Atop Europe’s Sales Charts Isn’t a Tesla or VW

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Post by wink » Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 7:58 AM UTC

Markoff wrote: post #173

wink wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't comment on OP's country, but here in Germany while technically different, in practice it's the same Car gets stolen: often the case is solved, license plates help, etc.pp Bike gets stolen: Police take the report, often blame you it's your own fault that you didn't properly lock it (happened to me twice), usually doesn't get solved even if you have the number. It's worth the hassle to report it but the chnace of…

> Car gets stolen: often the case is solved, license plates help, etc.pp Are you sure stolen car is "often" found? Here in Czechia they find like 20% stolen cars, bikes will be worse but not that much worse since 20 is already quite close to 0 anyway.

Often compared to bikes. Also I have heard of it, so non-zero. ;) No, I don't have numbers. My point was strictly that with a stolen bike you're out of luck. Also because insurance is mandatory for cars, people usually take this addon that will have them pay for your stolen car. For bikes again it's complicated...