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When a customer refunds your paid app, Apple refunds its 30% cut [edited]

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Post by Spivak »

rabuse wrote: post #63
bronzeage wrote: post #8

App stores need heavy regulations. It's not only Apple but Google and even steam to a small extent. Apple is of course the biggest offender as they heavily guard their monopoly with code signing enforcement. This shouldn't have been legal. They are the very definitions of predatory competition squashing monopolies.

This is specifically why I want web browsers to interface with mobile devices better. The walled garden these stores are absolutely infuriates me.

If the web really did take over you don’t think platforms would be any less restrictive when they control the main browser on their respective platforms?

Re: When a customer refunds your paid app, Apple refunds its 30% cut [edited]

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Post by elliottkember » 

  I was mistaken in my original (now deleted) tweet and have been corrected by a few people

  Apple does not keep the 30% commission on a refund the refund happens as you’d expect. I don’t know where I got the idea that it worked the way I thought it did
This was a follow-up by the tweet's author.

https://twitter.com/twolivesleft/status/1288625617873694721?...

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Post by Spivak »

SahAssar wrote: post #418
alewi481 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A positive aspect of Apple’s model is that it’s impossible for a malicious ad to trick an unsuspecting user into sideloading malware on their device.

You really think there is nothing in the app store that can be called malware?

So in response to a tightly controlled store where it’s hard but not impossible to publish malware you want the way forward to make it easier?

Re: When a customer refunds your paid app, Apple refunds its 30% cut [edited]

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Post by Spivak »

im3w1l wrote: post #193
alewi481 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A positive aspect of Apple’s model is that it’s impossible for a malicious ad to trick an unsuspecting user into sideloading malware on their device.

The vast majority of apps are malware. In both Apple's and Google's app stores. It's gotten to the point that apps are assumed to harvest all information they have access to, store it permanently and sell it to anyone who asks.

If you define malware so broad that every app meets your definition then the term kinda loses its punch.

Re: When a customer refunds your paid app, Apple refunds its 30% cut [edited]

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Post by Spivak »

centimeter wrote: post #59
bronzeage wrote: post #8

App stores need heavy regulations. It's not only Apple but Google and even steam to a small extent. Apple is of course the biggest offender as they heavily guard their monopoly with code signing enforcement. This shouldn't have been legal. They are the very definitions of predatory competition squashing monopolies.

A simple regulation that would fix this without overbearing price controls is to require manufacturers to allow users to sideload their own app stores.

the monkey’s paw finger curls

Regulation granted! There are now many stores on Apple devices. But the platform still requires code signing from Apple for code to run and must still abide by all existing Apple policy including entering into a contract with Apple that 30% of all revenue from your app on iOS is paid to them.

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Post by anonytrary »

xsmasher wrote: post #508
ec109685 wrote: post #493

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This wasn’t true: https://twitter.com/twolivesleft/status/1288625617873694721?... Recanted there. People need to think more critically.

Ugh. This factoid is now stuck in a bunch of memories though, and they're swear it's true the next time it gets debated.

To go deeper into the rabbit hole, lots of people dislike Apple, so this tweet could have been a calculated effort to further tarnish Apple's reputation.

Plan:

1. Create fake news that X people see.

2. Wait until X is large.

3. Delete fake news, use "plea ignorance" apology to save face, that Y (Y Congrats you now have a large number of people who now have an even worse opinion on the subject of the news. Repeat steps to cause even more damage.

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Post by Spivak »

mcherm wrote: post #81
ryanlol wrote: post #60

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Amazon appstore, F-droid, Huawei app store, Samsung Galaxy Apps and so on.

What is the market share of those? Ideally measured two ways: in downloads and in dollars.

You can’t claim poor market share as evidence. If iOS and the Play Store are “good enough” for people to not seek alternatives, and for devs to still publish apps, then 30% might not be a big enough cut.

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Post by sriku »

kelnos wrote: post #400
gamblor956 wrote: post #268

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Credit card companies (i.e., Visa, Mastercard) absolutely do refund fees on payments when the retailer processes a refund. This is why retailers generally require you to use the same method of payment to get your refund. It's uniquely online processors that do not refund fees.

> It's uniquely online processors that do not refund fees. It sorta makes sense, since the online processors are usually middlemen that only make money on the fees they themselves charge. I could see their perspective being "we provided the service; that service is not un-provided because the customer returned the item and you sent them a refund... in fact, you used us even more because we had to mediate the refund t…

Why do such fees (online, appstore, etc) have to be "some x% of the transaction value" and not just a flat fee?

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Post by Vervious »

elliottkember wrote: post #512

I was mistaken in my original (now deleted) tweet and have been corrected by a few people Apple does not keep the 30% commission on a refund the refund happens as you’d expect. I don’t know where I got the idea that it worked the way I thought it did This was a follow-up by the tweet's author. https://twitter.com/twolivesleft/status/1288625617873694721?...

Misinformation really does spread like wildfire. Even with the number of naysayers on Hacker News we still seemed to have had a lapse in critical thinking.

I've been wanting to get into research on the study of the spread of tweets like this. Anyone have pointers for reading material?

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