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Post by awillen »

akira2501 wrote: post #205
awillen wrote: post #178

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This grossly (and incorrectly) oversimplifies an enormous industry with a number of different approaches. Some PE firms absolutely strip the assets out of businesses and maximize their short term profits, while others buy and hold for the long term and others add value to companies they buy then sell them or take them public. I hate the whole "PE is evil" attitude from people who don't understand it. Often there are…

> while the reality is the business in its current form was going to fail and take everyone's job with it, and it was necessary to cut jobs in order to save the business As a rate, how many business are actually "saved" by PE firms? > (and thus save the jobs that remain) Wouldn't that be simpler with a general bankruptcy? What is gained when a third party, often encumbered with leverage, gets involved? > but it's jus…

You're obviously coming in with an anti-PE bent here, so if you're that interested you can pull up some statistics on PE outcomes and leave them here. My point was that OP's labeling of PE firms is overgeneralized - if you want to talk about percentages of outcomes and what type of PE is the minority then you're welcome to bring that info with you to discuss. I'm not going to do it for you.

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Post by Shared404 »

ctdonath wrote: post #308
Shared404 wrote: post #269

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> The protesters were not attacked. All of the protests started peacefully, including Portland. It was police violence that escalated things in the beginning. I recognize that they were not attacked _at that site_, but they were definitely attacked. > They have a well established process of “peaceful” used as a shield for provocateurs If you are breaking laws you will get hit with the laws. I'm not denying that. No o…

The protestors and rioters are largely indistinguishable. The former do not renounce & expel the latter. The former provide cover for the latter. Legally, each individual is culpable for the act of the mob, the mob is culpable for each individual. If you’re part of a violent siege, you’re part if a violent siege. Retreat or be targeted.

Out of curiosity, did you even read my response, or are you regurgitating talking points?

I offered several refutations(edit:and discussion) about that, which if you'd actually like to respond to I'd be happy to read.

If you just want to troll, I don't think we'll be getting much done here.

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Post by Shared404 »

non-entity wrote: post #309
ctdonath wrote: post #308

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The protestors and rioters are largely indistinguishable. The former do not renounce & expel the latter. The former provide cover for the latter. Legally, each individual is culpable for the act of the mob, the mob is culpable for each individual. If you’re part of a violent siege, you’re part if a violent siege. Retreat or be targeted.

> The former provide cover for the latter. Legally, each individual is culpable for the act of the mob, the mob is culpable for each individual. Exactly! ACAB :)

No no no. That only applies if you aren't a cop. :)

Sarcasm aside, I do think it varies by PD. My local department had zero issues when protests went on, even going so far as to take part, and then _not_ turn right around and start beating people.

Seems kinda like a bare minimum, but at least they hit that.

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Post by mixedCase »

novaleaf wrote: post #284
rascul wrote: post #280

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> I'm pro 2nd Amendment, but anti-gun. I'm a little confused, aren't those positions a bit contradictory? I would be interested in reading a bit more of your views here. > With the equipment a modern military has at it's disposal, I fail to see how the right to own small arms is going to help keep our government in check. After seeing various militaries (is that the right word?) fight for the last 19 years in Afghani…

My idea is that "the right to bear arms" should be reconsidered. One way or the other is fine, but I think that with military technology advancements we are in a poor middle ground right now. If we as Americans affirm the 2nd amendment, then the right to bear arms should be relaxed considerably (meaning, more military equipment should be allowed to civilians. If we reject the 2nd amendment then guns should be restric…

The military's capability to destroy and glass entire places far outpaces the civilian capability to do the same.

But to wage war against its citizens into submission without destroying the productive value that makes them useful to the powers that be? No way.

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Post by wcarron »

dharmab wrote: post #221
wcarron wrote: post #203

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I'll do ya 1 better: I had the displeasure of actually buying a new Harley (I was young and stupid). The street 500/750 are the worst of the worst from HD. The Iron 883 is the smallest "real" harley. And it's a completely different feel from the streets. However, it was a trashcan of a bike. I was always fixing weird issues, the HD dealership absolutely sucked in every facet from timeliness of service, to prices, to…

You know reliability is bad when the KTM is an upgrade! (Former 390 owner who had to warranty their bike...) Even if you stay in cruisers- Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha and Indian quality compared to Harley is insane. It's as if the bikes were made in a different century.

Lol, well, their bikes __were__ made in a different century. Harley engines are downright agricultural. Hell, even john deere would make a better engine than H-D

My buddy has a 1290 SADV S and i've got the 790 and neither of us have had a single issue. We'll see how its long-term reliability pans out, but it's honestly the best naked bike on the market, unless you count the supernakeds like the MT-10 or 1290SDR. Or it was until the 890 R came out.

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Post by wcarron »

jdhn wrote: post #211
wcarron wrote: post #203

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I'll do ya 1 better: I had the displeasure of actually buying a new Harley (I was young and stupid). The street 500/750 are the worst of the worst from HD. The Iron 883 is the smallest "real" harley. And it's a completely different feel from the streets. However, it was a trashcan of a bike. I was always fixing weird issues, the HD dealership absolutely sucked in every facet from timeliness of service, to prices, to…

>I'm hearing whispers that H-D willl be axing their new forays into ADV, standard, and E-bikes. At that point they might as well start winding down the company. I read reviews of the Livewire (their e-bike) and most people seemed to like it despite the very high price.

Yeah, sure. The fit and finish on the Livewire is great. But who can afford a $30k+ ebike? Especially one that gets barely 100 miles to the tank?

Not young americans, that's for sure. Personally, I can't wait until H-D bites the dust. Hopefully once and for all. They're incredibly overpriced, underpowered, overweight, technologically obsolete bikes (aside from their 1 electric model that sold terribly) with dealerships that suck at customer service (and also charge way too much per hour)

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Post by wcarron »

scottlocklin wrote: post #199
bobbyd3 wrote: post #185

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Hard to go wrong with a classic like the 870 though...

They seem a little overpriced when you can buy a Mossberg 500 with an extra barrel for like 2/5 the cost. Sure it ain't machined from a piece of steel; who cares? It also ain't as heavy.

Agreed. I grew up shooting a 500. It's like the gun version of a daily driver. Might pick up a new one when I move out of the city (no ranges near me)

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Post by dublinben »

novaleaf wrote: post #284
rascul wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm pro 2nd Amendment, but anti-gun. I'm a little confused, aren't those positions a bit contradictory? I would be interested in reading a bit more of your views here. > With the equipment a modern military has at it's disposal, I fail to see how the right to own small arms is going to help keep our government in check. After seeing various militaries (is that the right word?) fight for the last 19 years in Afghani…

My idea is that "the right to bear arms" should be reconsidered. One way or the other is fine, but I think that with military technology advancements we are in a poor middle ground right now. If we as Americans affirm the 2nd amendment, then the right to bear arms should be relaxed considerably (meaning, more military equipment should be allowed to civilians. If we reject the 2nd amendment then guns should be restric…

How can handguns or other small arms both be a scourge that are used in the majority of gun homicides, and also "ineffective" at the same time?

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Post by krrrh »

gnarbarian wrote: post #130
borkt wrote: post #30

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Good buy! I have a Sako finnlight 300 WSM and kinda wish I went with the WM just for ease of finding ammo, but the kick on the finnlight is pretty fatiguing as is. Completely pays off in the mountains though, How is 300wm on the tikka lite?

Painful. Rifle weighs around 6.5lbs. it needs a stock pad to be usable. And if you go through a box of ammo at the range you will be sore for a week. But it's accurate to around .5 MOA and I stick a giant Burris eliminator 3 scope on there to take some of the bite out of the recoil.

I don't know why Limbsaver Airtech recoil pads aren't more popular. I put one on my T3x Lite after my first visit to the range and since then I can shoot a couple of boxes without issue. It's an inexpensive and practical fix.

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Post by frank2 »

mulmen wrote: post #289
frank2 wrote: post #287

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>"small arms" are now basically ineffective arms Are you sure? Half of the grunts in an US infantry platoon carry only weapons (specifically the M-4) available to civilians. Civilians' having small arms greatly increases the number of soldiers needed to repress them, and the more soldiers needed, the more likely soldiers will revolt against the repression.

The M4 is not available to civilians. And don't try to tell me an AR-15 is the same thing as an M4. What does the other half of the platoon carry? The argument here seems to be that civilians do not have an effective counter for an F-35. Or a B-52. Or an M1 Abrams.

>What does the other half of the platoon carry?

M249 light machine guns and M240 medium machine guns, neither of which are available to US civilians.

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