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U.S. prosecutors seek 27 months imprisonment for former Uber self-driving head

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Re: U.S. prosecutors seek 27 months imprisonment for former Uber self-driving head

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He apparently filed for bankruptcy because he "owes" $179 million to Google? My question is, how is he paying his (presumably very expensive) lawyers?

If he's any smarter than me (and he clearly seems a lot smarter than me), he probably keeps many of his assets in bankruptcy-protected accounts/LLCs.

I'd bet he used some mechanism, e.g. Cook Islands Trust or similar in a defendant-friendly jurisdiction.

If you do shady business, you have to have plan B.

Re: U.S. prosecutors seek 27 months imprisonment for former Uber self-driving head

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White collar crime vs blue collar crime. White collar crime steal $179MM of assets and get 27 months of home arrest. Blue collar crime rob a bank to steal $10,000 and spend 10 years in prison.

There is no comparison to be made here. I know people who have been on the receiving end of a bank robbery and the trauma is long lasting. Is google traumatized by their experience? Do they tense up when someone walks into the office wearing a hat or a pair of sunglasses? These two crimes are very different things.

Edit: To those downvoting, do you honestly believe robbing a bank is a victimless crime? Someone has to be on the receiving end of that robbery and it is harmful to that person regardless of your feelings towards banks in general.

Re: U.S. prosecutors seek 27 months imprisonment for former Uber self-driving head

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re: peer comments noting the difference between violent & non-violent crime. The penal code is full of blue-collar crimes that carry exceedingly stiff penalties. For example, possession of 12 grams of LSD carries a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years under federal sentencing guidelines.

> possession of 12 grams of LSD Reader's note: that's between 50k and 100k doses. Not that I disagree with your point.

Not when you include the blotter paper in the weight, which is what police often do, in that case it'd likely be <10 doses.

Re: U.S. prosecutors seek 27 months imprisonment for former Uber self-driving head

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> possession of 12 grams of LSD Reader's note: that's between 50k and 100k doses. Not that I disagree with your point.

Not when you include the blotter paper in the weight, which is what police often do, in that case it'd likely be <10 doses.

But do the judges also include the blotter paper?

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> “It is, unfortunately, no exaggeration to say that a prison sentence today can amount to the imposition of a serious health crisis, even a death sentence, given the BOP’s (Federal Bureau of Prisons) current inability to control the spread of the coronavirus,” No exaggeration ? °-°

Not a huge exaggeration - but I'd like to see some explanation of why that's in any way relevant to the trial. Maybe the DOJ should be requesting funds from congress to help improve prison safety or even look at upscaling work-release programs - or maybe the executive branch could pardon all those low level drug offenders and the DOJ could finally remove mandatory sentencing rules around possession charges. Maybe in…

If we consider p(him dying) = 1 if convicted to a death sentence. The point of the lawyer if that p(him getting covid in prison) * p(him dying of covid as a healthy 40 year old) ≈ 1.

If it's not a huge exaggeration, please run me through the numbers. Because p(him dying of covid as a healthy 40 year old) I would love to pay those attorney's fee with few lottery tickets if that's how this guy plays with statistics.

Re: U.S. prosecutors seek 27 months imprisonment for former Uber self-driving head

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White collar crime vs blue collar crime. White collar crime steal $179MM of assets and get 27 months of home arrest. Blue collar crime rob a bank to steal $10,000 and spend 10 years in prison.

One might say, spreading the IP so that it doesn't belong to a single monopoly is a good thing for the society in general - jail time for this sounds ridiculous.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not when you include the blotter paper in the weight, which is what police often do, in that case it'd likely be <10 doses.

But do the judges also include the blotter paper?

Yes: https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/500/453/

Re: U.S. prosecutors seek 27 months imprisonment for former Uber self-driving head

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post #23

White collar crime vs blue collar crime. White collar crime steal $179MM of assets and get 27 months of home arrest. Blue collar crime rob a bank to steal $10,000 and spend 10 years in prison.

One might say, spreading the IP so that it doesn't belong to a single monopoly is a good thing for the society in general - jail time for this sounds ridiculous.

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Re: U.S. prosecutors seek 27 months imprisonment for former Uber self-driving head

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This is a great example of unequal prosecution. A startup that has its IP copied illegally would be lucky to not be ignored by the feds. Even if it was the proximate cause of a startup’s failure (which is admittedly rare). But for Google and Goldman Sachs which never suffer any real damage in these cases, the feds are their private army capable of raiding and imprisoning anyone who copies some files illegally, even i…

Yes, "prosecutorial discretion" is one form in which corruption occurs.

Huh? The alternative is the prosecutor is required to prosecute everything crime cops bring to them, no matter the evidence or likelihood of conviction.

Sounds worse than what we have now.

Re: U.S. prosecutors seek 27 months imprisonment for former Uber self-driving head

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post #23

White collar crime vs blue collar crime. White collar crime steal $179MM of assets and get 27 months of home arrest. Blue collar crime rob a bank to steal $10,000 and spend 10 years in prison.

One might say, spreading the IP so that it doesn't belong to a single monopoly is a good thing for the society in general - jail time for this sounds ridiculous.

Intent matters in criminal prosecution. I don't think his intention was social good.
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