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Post by giantrobot »

Grumbledour wrote: post #193
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #44

Hmm next what, people will abandon Facebook and flock back to thematic PHPBB forums? (I honestly can't wait!)

I occasionally wonder where forums have gone. There are communities still out there, but there seems to be no modern forum software? They have either been around forever or, if a bit newer, do nothing without mbs of JS. Now that activitypub is here, there seem to be half a dozen reddit clones in development. Microblogging and social media are also everywhere, but what about forums? What about topic-centric, lasting c…

For niche areas forums are still doing alright. More general purpose forums sort of melted away and moved to Facebook and the like.

Forums require a lot moderation and maintenance. If you don't keep the software up to date they're easy pickings for hackers. Without active moderation they're quickly overrun with spam.

For most people forums end up expensive pains in the ass. In terms of ActivityPub, the lasting conversation topic-centric nature of old school forums doesn't really fit in the model of pushing new activity. A hot-topic Reddit clone fits that model much better.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by idlewords »

latexr wrote: post #313
flocial wrote: post #134

This is probably one of my favorite developments coming from the quarantine. Maciej Ceglowski is a keeper of the torch reminding us of what the web used to be: a weird place filled with weird people who were guided by curious intellects and a belief that the internet can and would liberate us in some strange and amazing way. Before social media amplified celebrity worship and extreme positions, everyone's voice on th…

> This is probably one of my favorite developments coming from the quarantine. Maciej bought Delicious in 2017 and always planned to let people recover their bookmarks.

I ran the full site for about two years after 2017, using the code I inherited from AVOS, but a lot of people assumed the site was dead because they tried to visit delicious.com. That was never part of the sale and has been kept for some unknown purpose.

The problem was that even years after making the site read-only, I couldn't cope with the level of spam traffic directed at delicious, and had constant problems keeping it online. Rewriting that read-only version so it's not a bloated layer cake of 20 services is my attempt at bringing it back online more sustainably.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by giantrobot »

Grumbledour wrote: post #190
mercer wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being able to (usually) personalize your comments I think also played a huge role in fostering community: avatars, taglines, signatures, etc. I wrote my own tagging system for HN and it's hard to describe how much it changed the experience for me. only usernames feels a bit like being in a community where everyone wears the same clothes, uses a vocoder, and covers up their faces. if you squint you might be able to ma…

This sound interesting. Do you have some more details or maybe even some code somewhere? I would love to find ways to more easily identify users on here. The username, despite my best efforts, I mostly overlook or can't remember. On Forums, with Avatar images, this used to be so much simpler.

By default HN almost hides usernames. The byline on this comment will be a smaller font than HN's already small body font size. It'll also be a light gray almost fading into the background. You'll need to spend extra effort to notice my username and try to remember it. I'm not likely to remember yours later.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by kelvin0 »

So I'm not clear on what this is about? I seem to be missing a piece of the puzzle. It seems related to some type of nostalgia regarding delicious?

Glad if someone can clarify.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by specialp »

crazygringo wrote: post #258

Not to rain on the parade, but serious question: are bookmarks actually useful anymore? It's funny, I'm trying to remember when I simply stopped using bookmarks. 5 years ago, maybe? 10? I'm not entirely sure. I used to have elaborate folder hierachies of bookmarks in my browser. But at some point, I realized anytime I needed something, it was faster to just type a keyword or two in the address bar. Either it was ther…

I think we have shifted to a new paradigm. People are now less likely to host their own sites and own their content. Facebook especially has made walled gardens of user generated content that cannot be discovered outside of Facebook. And now even Google is taking their path by scraping content and displaying that and ads for most of the search page. Then even content that is displayed as a result it is going through Google hosted services to "speed it up"

Delicious was around as user curated sites and forums started to wane. So it did provide discovery for them. It was like even older days at the dawn of the web when one went to Yahoo to find the best site on working out in a human curated directory rather than horrible keyword searches. We do need that still especially now that Google has pivoted to being "doing evil" and is doing things that are against their open web practices of the past. So now even with a great search engine, discovering curated content is less and less possible as they are scraping it and burying it.

But as much as I'd like to see that I fear it isn't going to happen. People are less likely to create things out of these silos like social media platforms because they aren't going to be discovered. So then there's less discoverable great independent content, and then less of a case for bookmarking...

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by ink_13 »

dexterdog wrote: post #192
kome wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RSS is still great to get the news and blogs, I use https://theoldreader.com/

Most recent blog post, 18 months ago. Most recent tweet, 13 months ago. I wouldn't rely on that service as a daily tool.

It's a feature-complete paid service which has been 100% bug-free in the seven years I've been using it, yes, daily.

It is possible for software to be finished and only require minimal maintenance.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by idlewords »

cced wrote: post #202
haywirez wrote: post #151

What a hero — love how the story of Pinboard stacks up against the long-term unsustainability of VC-funded and overhyped startups. Quote from the 2011 article[0]: "My dream is to keep this a one-person project," says Ceglowski. "I am competing against billionaires like the YouTube guys running Delicious and I can hold my own. The tools I use have gotten so good and they are the same ones that Yahoo and Google use." I…

Anyone have any idea what he’s referring to when he brings up his use of tools?

I mean vanilla stuff like MySQL and PHP. In the Old Times both were considered toy projects unworthy of running a production website, while now both have been patched and improved into complete stability.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by julienchastang »

joshu wrote: post #295
julienchastang wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am surprised to see Joshua Schachter only mentioned once throughout this entire thread. I loved the story of how he started Del.icio.us from essentially nothing. He was one of my heroes at the time.

:)

Josh, what are you up to these days? The wikipedia page dedicated to you is out-of-date.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by vandahm »

semireg wrote: post #299
duxup wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does seem like there might be room out there for things that aren't unicorns, but are sustainable / good products that can operate, even at a profit, with small teams. I always think of / mention Gumroad when I think of that: https://sahillavingia.com/reflecting I worry in the rush to the tip top we lose some good products / services / economic activity that are billion dollar wins... but are still way good ideas.

The tooling has become insanely good, so long as you trust the shoulders of the giants you’re standing on. For example, a month ago the Electron team introduced a bug that made my Microsoft Store app think it was outside the store. The users of my app were not happy - so I looked into how I could test the app “in the store” as a beta ... it’s basically an exercise in frustration. Package flights are a joke, build num…

I don't have anything to contribute to the greater discussion, but I just wanted to thank you for building your app and sharing a link to it. Making labels isn't something that I often do, but when I have to do it, I need to make a lot of them, and that's always a pain. I'm going to give your solution a try as soon as I get off of work.
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