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U.S. prosecutors seek 27 months imprisonment for former Uber self-driving head

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Re: U.S. prosecutors seek 27 months imprisonment for former Uber self-driving head

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Honest question here. Why are we, the taxpayers, paying for 27 months of free housing and food for this guy? Considering he's not a physical threat to society, only an intellectual one, I'd much rather he be slapped with a financial punishment large enough to be meaningful.

Probably as a deterrent for very meaningful IP theft, and/or enforcement of existing laws and their punishments.

Re: U.S. prosecutors seek 27 months imprisonment for former Uber self-driving head

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post #16
post #10

Honest question here. Why are we, the taxpayers, paying for 27 months of free housing and food for this guy? Considering he's not a physical threat to society, only an intellectual one, I'd much rather he be slapped with a financial punishment large enough to be meaningful.

> Honest question here. Why are we, the taxpayers, paying for 27 months of free housing and food for this guy? That's a great point, he should be sent to work in the uranium mines of Kamchatka to earn his keep for those 27 months. The non-snarky answer is 'because sentencing in this country is a mixture of rehabilitation, punishment, and public safety', with a very heavy emphasis on punishment. (And quite frankly, I…

I suppose, but the way I think of it is --

Q: Why do we (or should be) putting rapists, thieves, murderers behind bars?

A: Because I'm happy to chip in and pay for their locked-up housing and food to make sure that they're not on the streets hurting people.

But this guy? I don't give a damn about him. He's not a threat to me, my company, or anything I'm involved with, and I shouldn't be paying for his punishment or rehabilitation costs.

If this guy walked past my home at night I wouldn't give a damn. If Brock Turner came anywhere near my home or friends' homes I'd be scared. Which of the two really should be behind bars? Why is this harmless-to-me guy being locked for 27 months at MY expense but Brock Turner getting 6 months?

Re: U.S. prosecutors seek 27 months imprisonment for former Uber self-driving head

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This is a great example of unequal prosecution. A startup that has its IP copied illegally would be lucky to not be ignored by the feds. Even if it was the proximate cause of a startup’s failure (which is admittedly rare). But for Google and Goldman Sachs which never suffer any real damage in these cases, the feds are their private army capable of raiding and imprisoning anyone who copies some files illegally, even i…

Yes, "prosecutorial discretion" is one form in which corruption occurs.

Re: U.S. prosecutors seek 27 months imprisonment for former Uber self-driving head

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he's any smarter than me (and he clearly seems a lot smarter than me), he probably keeps many of his assets in bankruptcy-protected accounts/LLCs.

Well, he did steal a bunch of stuff and get caught. That's not particularly smart.

Seems like a low-quality signal.

Re: U.S. prosecutors seek 27 months imprisonment for former Uber self-driving head

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post #14

> “It is, unfortunately, no exaggeration to say that a prison sentence today can amount to the imposition of a serious health crisis, even a death sentence, given the BOP’s (Federal Bureau of Prisons) current inability to control the spread of the coronavirus,” No exaggeration ? °-°

Not a huge exaggeration - but I'd like to see some explanation of why that's in any way relevant to the trial.

Maybe the DOJ should be requesting funds from congress to help improve prison safety or even look at upscaling work-release programs - or maybe the executive branch could pardon all those low level drug offenders and the DOJ could finally remove mandatory sentencing rules around possession charges. Maybe in this virus world centralized prisons aren't morally acceptable and we need to look at smaller more integrated facilities for all but the max-security folks.

But it doesn't matter for this dude's case, it's completely irrelevant. He can take on the same risks that society deems appropriate for black kids who had a joint behind their ear.

(edit: As I noted in a response actually yea, it is a huge exaggeration so I don't disagree with the parent's point. I still personally prefer to tear down the BS from the angle I noted above but yea the lawyer's numbers are also totally BS)

Re: U.S. prosecutors seek 27 months imprisonment for former Uber self-driving head

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This is a great example of unequal prosecution. A startup that has its IP copied illegally would be lucky to not be ignored by the feds. Even if it was the proximate cause of a startup’s failure (which is admittedly rare). But for Google and Goldman Sachs which never suffer any real damage in these cases, the feds are their private army capable of raiding and imprisoning anyone who copies some files illegally, even i…

"capital punishment means those without capital get the punishment" Applies everywhere regardless of the crime

Re: U.S. prosecutors seek 27 months imprisonment for former Uber self-driving head

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post #23

White collar crime vs blue collar crime. White collar crime steal $179MM of assets and get 27 months of home arrest. Blue collar crime rob a bank to steal $10,000 and spend 10 years in prison.

While this is a fair point (due to the difference in money), there is something to be said about the trauma imposed on people who are witness to a bank robbery, not to mention the potential lives hurt/lost if things go sour. I'm not saying in your above example that the 27mo and 10yr sentences should be shorter or longer, I'm just noting that there are reasons the two aren't equal.

Re: U.S. prosecutors seek 27 months imprisonment for former Uber self-driving head

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post #23

White collar crime vs blue collar crime. White collar crime steal $179MM of assets and get 27 months of home arrest. Blue collar crime rob a bank to steal $10,000 and spend 10 years in prison.

Non-violent vs violent crime. There is a difference.
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