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Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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Re: Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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Post by FooBarWidget »

saagarjha wrote: post #8
FooBarWidget wrote: post #3

It is interesting that there was recently a petition asking for people to support the national security law, and that it managed to gather 3 million signatures. For comparison, high estimations on the number of people who went on the streets to protest, was about 2 million. Both numbers are likely to be overestimations, but it seems to show that the Hong Kong people are divided about whether China is good for them, a…

> I recommend browsing Quora. There are quite some people there who say they live in Hong Kong. I live in Hong Kong–those people on Quora are wrong. Actually, I don't, but there's really no way to verify that; take online comments by people who supposedly live in a region with a grain of salt.

What do you believe they are wrong about?

Re: Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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Post by vehementi »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #9
jakear wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...or the signatures are fake? Petition fraud. Happens in US too, see net neutrality.

Well I did say that 3M is likely to be an overestimation. How many do you believe are fake? Let's say 40% are fake. That puts the number of legit signatures at 1.6M: still in the same ballpark as the number of protesters, which shows that society is divided. If you disagree with this analysis, I would love to hear why.

40% is the conservative estimate number the the US government faked for the net neutrality thing and that's with transparency in the comments. Let's go with 99% for China?

Re: Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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Post by vvpan »

RockmanZero wrote: post #7

To be clear, they are rather riot leaders who funded by US than "student group leaders".

The "these people are funded from abroad" rhetoric is employed too often by countries trying to control their population. Without hard evidence I wouldn't trust such things. I Russia, for example it's the number one way to try to discredit anybody who disagrees with the government. Yet the government, which has essentially total control over all spheres of life, has not been able to procure any evidence.

Re: Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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Post by monksy »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #10
monksy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3million signatures.. they would never fake that now would they? https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/420764-chicago-alderman-ca...

How many do you believe are fake?

According to the news sources behind the great firewall they're all legitimate.

Re: Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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Post by vvpan »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #5
FooBarWidget wrote: post #3

It is interesting that there was recently a petition asking for people to support the national security law, and that it managed to gather 3 million signatures. For comparison, high estimations on the number of people who went on the streets to protest, was about 2 million. Both numbers are likely to be overestimations, but it seems to show that the Hong Kong people are divided about whether China is good for them, a…

Does anyone know why my post gets downvoted? Is it not neutral and balanced enough?

I think people are assuming that it's relying on questionable sources.

Re: Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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Post by ciarannolan »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #5
FooBarWidget wrote: post #3

It is interesting that there was recently a petition asking for people to support the national security law, and that it managed to gather 3 million signatures. For comparison, high estimations on the number of people who went on the streets to protest, was about 2 million. Both numbers are likely to be overestimations, but it seems to show that the Hong Kong people are divided about whether China is good for them, a…

Does anyone know why my post gets downvoted? Is it not neutral and balanced enough?

Probably for the same reason that other CCP propaganda attracts downvotes.

Re: Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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Post by non-entity »

ciarannolan wrote: post #17
FooBarWidget wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anyone know why my post gets downvoted? Is it not neutral and balanced enough?

Probably for the same reason that other CCP propaganda attracts downvotes.

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Re: Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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Post by ciarannolan »

non-entity wrote: post #18
ciarannolan wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably for the same reason that other CCP propaganda attracts downvotes.

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Thanks, but I don't think that applies here. I'm not accusing that poster of "astroturfing, shilling, brigading, [or being a] foreign agent".

I'm saying that they're parroting CCP propaganda in the form of an extremely questionable survey and that generally attracts downvotes here (including mine).

Re: Student group leader arrested on suspicion of inciting secession in HK

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Post by kick »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #11
saagarjha wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I recommend browsing Quora. There are quite some people there who say they live in Hong Kong. I live in Hong Kong–those people on Quora are wrong. Actually, I don't, but there's really no way to verify that; take online comments by people who supposedly live in a region with a grain of salt.

What do you believe they are wrong about?

That's not the point. He's saying that there's no possible way to decisively figure out who does and doesn't live in Hong Kong on Quora; there are a lot of nations interested in influencing what's going on there right now (including US, I might add), and Chinese disinformation campaigns (especially ones where they pretend to be from elsewhere) aren't a new phenomenon.

Petitions are bullshit, Quora is bullshit. Look for bodies, anything else is easy to fake.

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