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Post by greyhair »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #91
wombatmobile wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One difference in the fate of Yahoo vis a vis Google, is that Yahoo didn't spy on its users and exploit the knowledge gained from spying to make gazillions from advertising. Take from that what you will. Google made money, and then Facebook learned how to make money by trumping Google - by harvesting the "digital surplus" of its users to power an advertising juggernaut. The rise of advertising everywhere, and the los…

Yahoo spied on users the same as the rest of them, they were just incompetent and bled users for years. They were never especially well managed, but Verizon was the worst and basically took a company on the road to destruction and stomped on the accelerator. > resulted in a world that employs less than half the number of journalists than 20 years ago This is a direct result of the internet in general. With lower publ…

For internet, in my town, you choose between Verizon and Comcast. The Devil and the Deep Blue Sea.

Verizon FiOS is excellent as far as connectivity, but as a corporation, they suck.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by dexterdog »

kome wrote: post #100
conjectures wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This made me nostalgic for RSS. Is anyone reviving that in a nice way?

RSS is still great to get the news and blogs, I use https://theoldreader.com/

Most recent blog post, 18 months ago. Most recent tweet, 13 months ago. I wouldn't rely on that service as a daily tool.

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#193

Post by Grumbledour »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #44

Hmm next what, people will abandon Facebook and flock back to thematic PHPBB forums? (I honestly can't wait!)

I occasionally wonder where forums have gone.

There are communities still out there, but there seems to be no modern forum software? They have either been around forever or, if a bit newer, do nothing without mbs of JS.

Now that activitypub is here, there seem to be half a dozen reddit clones in development. Microblogging and social media are also everywhere, but what about forums? What about topic-centric, lasting conversations instead of hot-topic and people-centric chats with no history?

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by ghaff »

greyhair wrote: post #191
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yahoo spied on users the same as the rest of them, they were just incompetent and bled users for years. They were never especially well managed, but Verizon was the worst and basically took a company on the road to destruction and stomped on the accelerator. > resulted in a world that employs less than half the number of journalists than 20 years ago This is a direct result of the internet in general. With lower publ…

For internet, in my town, you choose between Verizon and Comcast. The Devil and the Deep Blue Sea. Verizon FiOS is excellent as far as connectivity, but as a corporation, they suck.

It seems to be a pattern with mega communications companies which have always tended towards natural monopolies or at least duopolies etc. Ma Bell and Western Union weren't exactly warm and cuddly. Lots of international examples too.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

skinnymuch wrote: post #145
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #44

Hmm next what, people will abandon Facebook and flock back to thematic PHPBB forums? (I honestly can't wait!)

People aren’t remembering the negatives to these. I still use a normal style forum sometimes. Being single threaded is annoying. People keep asking the same questions or repeating the same stuff again and again. No fault of their own. Discovery in a single thread is crazy hard. Finding what you’re looking for in a thread can take a long time. Some one may ask a question your interested in knowing the answer to, but f…

> People keep asking the same questions or repeating the same stuff again and again

Trying to police this destroys the usefulness of a forum too. There is one major forum for a piece of software I use so I had this issue Google lead me to the forum, the thread is old and because it's old it's locked but it doesn't answer the question. I post a new thread after waiting 12 hours for my account to be approved by a mod, the overly zealous mod locks it with a link to the old thread saying there is already a thread about it.

Yeah I know there is, but it doesn't answer the problem and I can't post it in to keep it on topic. I now dread when that url shows up in my searches.

Building a good useful community and being a good host has some crossover with being a moderator but honestly they're completely different skillsets.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by jaeming »

smolder wrote: post #155
millstone wrote: post #26

This is old school weird web! For those who did not experience it, del.icio.us was a bookmarking service, and one of the first to have "tags", but also had a sense of fresh discovery. You can bookmark and tag your sites. But you can also browse the bookmarks and tags of people you know, and people they know, getting deeper, freed from algorithmic manipulation. Like Wikipedia, but you start at you.

Old school is web 2.0? I'm really old, I guess.

yeah, it was still "new Web" in my mind. Old Web is pre dot-com era.

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Post by neon_electro »

haywirez wrote: post #151

What a hero — love how the story of Pinboard stacks up against the long-term unsustainability of VC-funded and overhyped startups. Quote from the 2011 article[0]: "My dream is to keep this a one-person project," says Ceglowski. "I am competing against billionaires like the YouTube guys running Delicious and I can hold my own. The tools I use have gotten so good and they are the same ones that Yahoo and Google use." I…

Do you mean that you intend to buy Soundcloud's assets if they go under?

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Post by zimmund »

whatch wrote: post #23
maxbaines wrote: post #4

the bookmark space for me is still broken, I think delicious were close to fixing this in there early days pre yahoo. I cant wait to see all my bookmarks from 2000's probably just gifs but memories. good luck Maciej Ceglowski

Haven't used the service from original post. But I already feel like that about the stuff I saved in Pocket since 2011 (now owned by Mozilla). Back then it was called Read It Later

This also reminds me of my bookmarks from StumbleUpon. Flash games and cool sites -most of them not working today-.

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Post by dbrgn »

Grumbledour wrote: post #193
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #44

Hmm next what, people will abandon Facebook and flock back to thematic PHPBB forums? (I honestly can't wait!)

I occasionally wonder where forums have gone. There are communities still out there, but there seems to be no modern forum software? They have either been around forever or, if a bit newer, do nothing without mbs of JS. Now that activitypub is here, there seem to be half a dozen reddit clones in development. Microblogging and social media are also everywhere, but what about forums? What about topic-centric, lasting c…

https://threema-forum.de/ was migrated to "WoltLab Suite Forum" a while ago. I didn't know that software before, but everything seems to work really nicely. Still has the classic forum features but it doesn't feel like it's from 1999. (Note: It's not open source and costs 100€ per year to license. I'm not affiliated in any way, just a user.)

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by 14 »

nikhizzle wrote: post #121
glenstein wrote: post #54

Delicious was for a time at the cultural nerve center of the web, and I think had the potential to be something like a twitter or a reddit if stewarded correctly. I like to think there was an alternate reality where Yahoo didn't run itself into the ground, and took its properties: delicious, flickr, tumblr, its massive userbase across fantasy sports, groups, news, messenger, geocities and answers, its email service,…

Ex-yahoo here, thought I would add my 2 cents. Yahoo under Jerry and Filo (love them both, this is not personal) had a twin culture of niceness and bureaucracy which killed us. Here are an example of each: 1. Niceness - a coworker decided to just randomly not show up for work (not WFH, just disappear occasionally). I took it to management, and was told we don’t want to hurt his feelings. 2. Bureaucracy - I left yahoo…

I am curious as to the niceness point. Are you sure he randomly decided not to show up? Perhaps he and management had a quiet agreement where when his chronic diarrhea showed up he stayed home. Work is informed but when you ask they make up some excuse, we don’t want to hurt his feelings, but really that is just the way of not telling you as his medical history is personal and not your business.
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